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Well, I'm sure I'll purchase my first tablet within the next four years, so it's nice to see this smile.gif
    
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just because the business market is massive doesn't mean it's profitable.

Are you joking, kid? Enterprise is ridiculously profitable, with companies such as nvidia making thousands per SKU sold (with their tesla line of GPUs)

Apple fanboys rolleyes.gif Why are they even here?
Edited by xoleras - 11/25/12 at 4:39pm
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What's junk about Pages or Keynote? Genuine question... What can't it do that Office can? And on a similar note is the version of Office that runs on RT the same as the full version or is it a mobile version?
Lots of things. See below. The office programs included on the surface are the full versions.
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Stop acting as if Office suite made by MS is the only productivity software. There are tons on android/iOS that do the same if not more. Some are even free.
What else do you want? A word program that writes your papers for you?
You've got to be kidding me. doh.gif

There isn't anything "wrong" with the mobile office suites, they serve their function. They are designed to quickly view, and sometimes make minor modifications to documents that already exist. I'm not sure what exactly you use Office suites for, but I regularly have to type very long research papers and work with Excel workbooks. The papers have very specific formatting requirements that are easily and quickly implemented using Word.

Tell me, can I create pivot tables, use advanced functions and macros in the mobile office suites that have been mentioned that can be done with Excel?

To suggest that these mobile office suites can even come close to the functionality and integration offered by Microsoft Office is a statement made only from complete ignorance.
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Yeah iPad 1 is the exception because the lack of RAM. Only 256MB.

Dang, your comment made me look at iPad on wikipedia.

How did I miss yet another iPad release entirely. I had no clue we're up to iPad 4 now, so quickly !
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Are you joking, kid? Enterprise is ridiculously profitable, with companies such as nvidia making thousands per SKU sold (with their tesla line of GPUs)
Apple fanboys rolleyes.gif Why are they even here?

hp and nvidia are entirely different, for obvious reasons. and hp isn't really doing that hot right now. it's not really surprising. hp and dell buy from oems, but also have to compete against them.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/05/08/500-hp-apotheker/
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I barely glanced at the title and read "Microsoft commits suicide..."
I was like lolwut? biggrin.gif
... I did too!

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Lots of things. See below. The office programs included on the surface are the full versions.
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Stop acting as if Office suite made by MS is the only productivity software. There are tons on android/iOS that do the same if not more. Some are even free.
What else do you want? A word program that writes your papers for you?
You've got to be kidding me. doh.gif

There isn't anything "wrong" with the mobile office suites, they serve their function. They are designed to quickly view, and sometimes make minor modifications to documents that already exist. I'm not sure what exactly you use Office suites for, but I regularly have to type very long research papers and work with Excel workbooks. The papers have very specific formatting requirements that are easily and quickly implemented using Word.

Tell me, can I create pivot tables, use advanced functions and macros in the mobile office suites that have been mentioned that can be done with Excel?

To suggest that these mobile office suites can even come close to the functionality and integration offered by Microsoft Office is a statement made only from complete ignorance.
That's what I'd like to know. I'm by no means very familiar with the iWork suite, but I'd like to know what it is exactly that they can't do. From someone who doesn't use them often they "appear" to be quite capable, but I wouldn't have tried any of this more advanced functionality.
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just because the business market is massive doesn't mean it's profitable. there's cutthroat competition and the margins are tiny. look at hp, #1 manufacturer in the world by sales, and they were considering selling there hardware department recently.
additionally, pc sales are declining and tablet sales will soon surpass laptop sales

Well yes actually it is profitable. Try having a look at Dell and HP's last quarter earnings. I can provide the specific pages and summaries if necessary. Where they turn a profit is on the service and support. Admittedly their hardware markup is low due to competition, however business customers are not buying for the hardware, they are buying into the support ecosystem.

Also "desktop" PC sales have indeed been declining but latop sales have been increasing over the last 7 years (makes sense as companies transition to mobile and home office environments). To state that tablets will be surpassing laptop sales anytime soon is unlikely. Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc, sell millions of units globally to businesses PLUS consumer sales. On the business side, tablets have minimal penetration (as I pointed out earlier, compatibility with a company software infrastructure is a big challenge), on the homefront, sales are of course growing.

Will tablets outsell laptops? Only when tablets are cheaper than laptops and have the same or better functionality. I have yet to see a tablet run Windows 7 and Microsoft Office and have a reasonable hard drive size for under $400 (the price of a decent laptop).

Much as I love tablets (and I do) they are an accessory, not a primary device for the foreseeable future.
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Well yes actually it is profitable. Try having a look at Dell and HP's last quarter earnings. I can provide the specific pages and summaries if necessary. Where they turn a profit is on the service and support. Admittedly their hardware markup is low due to competition, however business customers are not buying for the hardware, they are buying into the support ecosystem.
Also "desktop" PC sales have indeed been declining but latop sales have been increasing over the last 7 years (makes sense as companies transition to mobile and home office environments). To state that tablets will be surpassing laptop sales anytime soon is unlikely. Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc, sell millions of units globally to businesses PLUS consumer sales. On the business side, tablets have minimal penetration (as I pointed out earlier, compatibility with a company software infrastructure is a big challenge), on the homefront, sales are of course growing.
Will tablets outsell laptops? Only when tablets are cheaper than laptops and have the same or better functionality. I have yet to see a tablet run Windows 7 and Microsoft Office and have a reasonable hard drive size for under $400 (the price of a decent laptop).
Much as I love tablets (and I do) they are an accessory, not a primary device for the foreseeable future.

i agree tablets do not offer the same functionality, especially for businesses. nonetheless, by 2016 they are predicted to surpass laptop sales. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406662,00.asp. i personally don't own a tablet because i don't see what they offer over a thin and light notebook. however, because they are not productivity devices their growth suggests the increasing importance of the consumer market.
Edited by perfectblade - 11/25/12 at 9:55pm
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The Surface is a failure! It has to be one the worse devices I ever used in its price range. Why do you all think MS is stating they will support it for so long? By that time the battery will be dead. Anyone who plans on keeping a tablet like the surface for more than 2 years is truly lost. after the 2 year mark these devices become dated like most cell phones and there internal battery depreciate smile.gif

Also, Office is a great program, but totally pointless for business use on a device like the surface (MS did not give Outlook with it! Plz MS stick a pencil in my eye and Blame it on Apple). No business is going to adopt the surface on a grand scale. MS is in a bind when it comes to office and Windows. How much can really be improved.

Right now when hardware (Even the average entry level PC) is over powering software, what does Microsoft do? They water down the OS and Office. I have Office 2013 and it does not compare to office 2010. Most business and non-profits I know of do not care for office 2010, or 2013. There is only so much you can do with office before you realize you need Quick-Books or Adobe or ETC. In fact the only 2 MS Office programs most businesses need are Word and Outlook. I use Abode software for my presentations, people love the visuals and aftermath interaction that Adobe custom presentations allow.

Also, look at what MS is doing to it's websites. MS is watering them all down so they now look like Facebook rip-offs. It is horrendous! Metro UI may just destroy MS. Not the idea of a full screen start, but the design. I spit on MS at this moment in time!

Look at the MS App store. It is really bad, I think they stole it from the mutated bird boy with no legs and no eyes that live down the street from me. I think his name is suckerbirg biggrin.gif
Edited by nsseriouspanda - 11/26/12 at 3:27am
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