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The features probably have no affect on folding, but isn't folding primarily compute? I wonder if the features left out would have helped with folding if that is the case.

Wait, why aren't AMD cards better for folding if folding depends on raw compute power?
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Wait, why aren't AMD cards better for folding if folding depends on raw compute power?

Good question, i think it's got something to do with the client at this time. Not that i know anything about folding....
 
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Fanboy alert! That's coming from a big ATi fan. Remember the battle between the GeForce 6xxx and Radeon X8xx, when ATi released later, yet only supported Shader Model 2.0 instead of 3.0? That move actually had an impact years later when DX9 games flooded the market.
Actually, the Radeon 9xxx launched in mid 2002, while the FX 5xxx was six months late to the market because nVidia was having issues with 130nm and DDR2. We also found out after Half-life 2's release, that the FX'es DX9 performance is abysmal and is essentially useless.

I'll be, I should have caught that. =( But your DX9.0c point is a good one, Nvidia had that well before ATi had. Making a huge difference in games, especially due to the shader model 3.0
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Most games are still in DX9... so why bother to be mad.
 
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post #35 of 64
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Wait, why aren't AMD cards better for folding if folding depends on raw compute power?
Folding is significantly more optimized for Nvidia GPUs. If you look at boinc results, AMD GPUs do much better. It all depends on what the program is optimized for.
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If the AAA game developers do not care, neither do I.

DICE does
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Wait, why aren't AMD cards better for folding if folding depends on raw compute power?
Folding is significantly more optimized for Nvidia GPUs. If you look at boinc results, AMD GPUs do much better. It all depends on what the program is optimized for.

Yeah, AMD cards have much more potential for folding than the current NV cards. They have actually had more raw compute power for two generations now, possibly three. The problem lies with Stanford as well as AMD. AMD hasn't pushed their version of NV's "Cuda", which used to be called "AMD Stream". I think they are now calling it "APP or Accelerated Parallel Processing". NV has put a ton more money and time into pushing their version(CUDA), making it easier for Stanford and many other application devs to implement compute into their programs. Stanford could still make way better use of AMD's APP if they really wanted to put the time into it. Only then would AMD cards be near equivalent or best Nvidia GPU's in folding, even if AMD GPU's have/had far superior Double Precision performance.

I used to pester them everyday on the Standford folding forums to start making better use of AMD's GPU's, but I gave up after a year or so.
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This doesn't really bother me. Including largely irrelevant features just contributes to bloat, which goes against the extreme efficiency sorta idea GK104 was built on.
In this case, Nvidia has only software support for DX11.1. The hardware isn't built for DX11.1, so the DX11.1 code that it does run is, theoretically at least, less efficient. The article, or a least a quote from the article, does say that "90% of differences between 11.0 and 11.1 are software anyways" (even though it looks like it's actually 60%). But one has to wonder if that code would run better if the hardware was tuned for it. However, there's no telling that GCN is optimized for the "software-level" DX11.1 features.

I do think that Nvidia's statement that these aren't gaming features is total bull. The last two definitely sound like they're useful for 3D gaming, and for the former two, whoever said that 2D rendering can't be used for games?

It also would have been nice for Nvidia to have clarified Kepler's DX11.1 support at launch, rather than playing dumb. It's disingenuous at best.
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600 series for Nvidia was/is pure goldmine. They pulled crazy profits.
I think that it is money well spent. I enjoy my 680's more than my sli'd 580's. run faster, cooler, I never have any problems with them
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I think that it is money well spent. I enjoy my 680's more than my sli'd 580's. run faster, cooler, I never have any problems with them
Well yes, that is what happens when you advance in fabrication processes...
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