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I think that it is money well spent. I enjoy my 680's more than my sli'd 580's. run faster, cooler, I never have any problems with them

Well they're definitely a worse deal than the 580s were. 580s OCd better than 680s, had proper voltage control, they have a higher quality components, they were better compared to the competition, they had no stupid boost technology etc. The 680s being faster is a moot point because that's to be expected.

NV is really making a killing with the 600 series and it's not benefiting the users at all, quite the opposite actually.
 
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Yeah, AMD cards have much more potential for folding than the current NV cards. They have actually had more raw compute power for two generations now, possibly three. The problem lies with Stanford as well as AMD. AMD hasn't pushed their version of NV's "Cuda", which used to be called "AMD Stream". I think they are now calling it "APP or Accelerated Parallel Processing". NV has put a ton more money and time into pushing their version(CUDA), making it easier for Stanford and many other application devs to implement compute into their programs. Stanford could still make way better use of AMD's APP if they really wanted to put the time into it. Only then would AMD cards be near equivalent or best Nvidia GPU's in folding, even if AMD GPU's have/had far superior Double Precision performance.
I used to pester them everyday on the Standford folding forums to start making better use of AMD's GPU's, but I gave up after a year or so.

Long story short:

nVidia and Intel - sitting on a pile of money, handing it out by the bucket load (resulting in more money).

AMD - sitting on a pile of money, defending it with pointy sticks (resulting in less money).
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Long story short:
nVidia and Intel - sitting on a pile of money, handing it out by the bucket load (resulting in more money).
AMD - sitting on a pile of money, defending it with pointy sticks (resulting in less money).

The bold part is have not been true ever since AMD spent the big bucks for ATI.
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After reading every comment in this thread, i'm rather shocked at how many people only read the title and not even the OP.
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The bold part is have not been true ever since AMD spent the big bucks for ATI.

A considerably smaller, negative pile of money.
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  • Partial constant buffer updates
  • Logic operations in the Output Merger
  • 16bpp rendering
  • UAV-only rendering
  • Partial clears
  • Large constant buffers

Does that mean you need to get three kills in a row first for it to work?

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What the???? are you talking about?
DX8 was done by both in 2001
DX9 was done first by Nvidia in 2003 (FX Series)

You really don t know what you are talking about.
ATI had the 95xx + series before the FX 5xxx came from Nvidia ,with more than half an year.What to talk about the atroceus performance in PS/VS 2.0 of them.Not even the 5800 ,that was heating like an oven could stand the ATI cards.And not the process fabrication was the problem but the design.
DX 8.0 is not DX 8.1 as well ,quite a gap quality wise between them smile.gif

I don t understand what s with the hate.Nvidia with only one exception ,when ATI was taken over by AMD ,was always behind DX version wise.
If ATI wouldn t have had the 5xxx series you would have still played games on G92 chips based cards.Yes 8800 GT was a good card ,not taking into account the failure rate of 8xxx series cards.

They are lazy and they care only about the profit.Now all the fans will need to get new Nvidia cards to be in the trend ,so more money to be made.They knew the DX 11.1 specs but they simply ignored them in their new products.
   
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Is it me or are we getting less for more. I mean they said well "we took out some compute performace for better gaming", "we voltaged locked for the cosumer", "well since we took out compute performace, were not gonna add all the fetures, oh by the way you dont need them' .... Geez im not AMD fan but man these companies are just holding back and milking us. Really anyone can see threw there plan. But in the end you have to make the choice with your wallet.
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You really don t know what you are talking about.
ATI had the 95xx + series before the FX 5xxx came from Nvidia ,with more than half an year.What to talk about the atroceus performance in PS/VS 2.0 of them.Not even the 5800 ,that was heating like an oven could stand the ATI cards.And not the process fabrication was the problem but the design.
DX 8.0 is not DX 8.1 as well ,quite a gap quality wise between them smile.gif
I don t understand what s with the hate.Nvidia with only one exception ,when ATI was taken over by AMD ,was always behind DX version wise.
If ATI wouldn t have had the 5xxx series you would have still played games on G92 chips based cards.Yes 8800 GT was a good card ,not taking into account the failure rate of 8xxx series cards.
They are lazy and they care only about the profit.Now all the fans will need to get new Nvidia cards to be in the trend ,so more money to be made.They knew the DX 11.1 specs but they simply ignored them in their new products.

Dude, that was already caught and I should have caught that. However the DX9 performance by either was pretty sloppy at first. Nvidia in the end had the better DX9 performance, DX8 wasn't really an issue. The larger issue ended up being DX10/11 but neither company really came out with anything that was curb stomping till later in the game. As well as Nvidia had the crown for all of this for a very long time. Only recently has Radeon (after AMD bought them) gotten any decent performance, though your still going to see Nvidia with a lot more optimization due to them being in the game longer.

They knew the DX11.1 specs but who the hell is going to use them? The point for them ignoring that was the fact that win8 is JUST released with the ability to use those specs. You know any devs who has focused on DX11.1? Anyone? No? Because no developer is going to develop for an API that just hit the market, you have little to no customers as far as that goes. Then look at the adoption rate of Win8, you might as well stick with DX11 itself and release your current games on that. What, errone supports DX11, that's fantastic. Because honestly we have yet to see many games utilize that as much and you won't till consoles start doing it. This isn't please the 1%, this is business and nobody gives a rats what's out but what's being used by the majority. Nvidia caters to the devs, who in tern cater to the largest common denominator (consoles).

Nobody is screwing anyone, it's what you get when the majority of your crowd is too poor or stupid to build their own PCs and support that market. That or they are lazy as it is a lot more effort than picking up a controller and putting in a disc.
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After reading every comment in this thread, i'm rather shocked at how many people only read the title and not even the OP.

What do you mean? The point is one and the title is enough. Nvidia doesn't support DX 11.1 -that's it.

A few features through software etc. Yes, I know, you don't care because bla bla along with excuses. But that's an other matter. Also, if Nvidia advertised DX11.1 on the whitepaper, that's not something I care.

Do you get this? O.K, we're not going to need it anyway, so... Let's forget about it. Most of you, you will get the next 780 in a while anyway.

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