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No. People need to stop with the ''79xx are god'' mentality. As a matter of fact, the 680 vs 7970 battle is probably one of the closest that AMD and Nvidia ever had.
Nvidia release new drivers, take the crown, AMD release new drivers, take it back, AMD start to lock the voltage on certain cards, give it away...
But AMD is cheaper. That's what's make it so interesting. It's cheaper mostly because Nvidia card have more features, are quieter and are more efficient.
Now, it's important to know that the 7970, the 7950, the 680 and the 670 are all in the same league. Clock for clock, the flagships are about 5% faster than their retarded counterpart, which mean that the fastest card, out of the four, will be the one that will overclock the most.
With that in mind, it's safe to say that you will have a lot more of horsepower with the 7950s in CF than with a single 680. It will consume more than twice the wattage and generate a lot of heat (they are closer than the 480s than most will adrmit), but it will be really, really fast.

wow, didn't know it was going to be close the GTX 480 power usage and heat output. Good to know. That's one of the main reasons for upgrading. I know I will probably take a slight performance hit when going from 480 SLI to either a GTX 680 or a 7950/70. I want to make sure my next card is power efficient and doesn't make my room into a sauna. I may just get a factory overclocked card and just keep it stock to keep the temps/power usage low.
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wow, didn't know it was going to be close the GTX 480 power usage and heat output. Good to know. That's one of the main reasons for upgrading. I know I will probably take a slight performance hit when going from 480 SLI to either a GTX 680 or a 7950/70. I want to make sure my next card is power efficient and doesn't make my room into a sauna. I may just get a factory overclocked card and just keep it stock to keep the temps/power usage low.

people are providing completely inaccurate information. don't believe it blindly. Comparing the HD 7950 to a GTX 480 is such a fail. the GTX 480 drew 260w - 270w under load in games.

here are a couple of heavily factory overclocked models - HIS ICEQ HD 7970 Ghz at 1180 Mhz and ASUS HD 7970 Matrix at 1100 Mhz

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7970_X_Turbo/26.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_Matrix/24.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_680_Lightning/26.html

Peak power ( Crysis 2 at 1920x1200, Extreme profile, representing a typical gaming power draw. Highest single reading during the test.)

GTX 680 - 186
HD 7970(925 mhz) - 189
GTX 680 Lightning (1200+ mhz)- 194
ASUS HD 7970 Matrix (1100 Mhz) - 223
GTX 580 - 229
HIS ICEQ HD 7970 (1180 Mhz) - 239

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/55902-msi-gtx-680-lightning-review-20.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57894-asus-hd-7970-3gb-matrix-platinum-edition-review-19.html

GTX 680 Lightning - 364w
ASUS HD 7970 Matrix - 399w

you can see the HD 7970 (925 Mhz) draws close to the reference GTX 680. Both the reviews show the HD 7970 Matrix drawing around 30 - 35w more than GTX 680 lightning. in fact the HD 7970 Matrix draws less power than GTX 580 in TPU review. the HIS ICEQ HD 7970 (1.180 Ghz) draws 45w more than GTX 680 lightning which runs at 1.2+ ghz Kepler boost speeds.

Even a heavily factory overclocked HD 7970 Ghz draws less power than GTX 480.
Edited by raghu78 - 11/26/12 at 10:50pm
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No. People need to stop with the ''79xx are god'' mentality. As a matter of fact, the 680 vs 7970 battle is probably one of the closest that AMD and Nvidia ever had.
Nvidia release new drivers, take the crown, AMD release new drivers, take it back, AMD start to lock the voltage on certain cards, give it away...
But AMD is cheaper. That's what's make it so interesting. It's cheaper mostly because Nvidia card have more features, are quieter and are more efficient.
Now, it's important to know that the 7970, the 7950, the 680 and the 670 are all in the same league. Clock for clock, the flagships are about 5% faster than their retarded counterpart, which mean that the fastest card, out of the four, will be the one that will overclock the most.
With that in mind, it's safe to say that you will have a lot more of horsepower with the 7950s in CF than with a single 680. It will consume more than twice the wattage and generate a lot of heat (they are closer than the 480s than most will adrmit), but it will be really, really fast.

wow, didn't know it was going to be close the GTX 480 power usage and heat output. Good to know. That's one of the main reasons for upgrading. I know I will probably take a slight performance hit when going from 480 SLI to either a GTX 680 or a 7950/70. I want to make sure my next card is power efficient and doesn't make my room into a sauna. I may just get a factory overclocked card and just keep it stock to keep the temps/power usage low.


GTX480 is a 320w max draw card. The 7950 is 180w at stock. Comparing the two, 180w vs 320w... ugh yea the math speaks for itself right? I'm using TPU numbers which are measured at the pcie plugs, not some random killawatt numbers mind you. 7950s pushed to the +20 on the TDP brings it to around 220w range. Again doing the math, cfx 7950s will still be dropping your power draw by almost a third while doubling the performance.
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What's the difference? And why not HDMI to DVI?

What you listed are adapters, they will only extend what the card is currently capable of, which in the GPU you listed is 60hz, an active displayport to Dual link DVI is artificially creating a dual link dvi for the GPU which then allows 120hz. Trust me I had a MSI R7970 lightning and my monitor came with a display port to DVI like you listed, it did not work, it has to be an active version.
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No. People need to stop with the ''79xx are god'' mentality. As a matter of fact, the 680 vs 7970 battle is probably one of the closest that AMD and Nvidia ever had.

No actually they are not close ... It is like comparing HD5850/ HD5870 Vs. GTX 470/ GTX 480 or HD6950/ HD6970 Vs. GTX 570/ GTX 580.
The lead AMD has this generation is the same lead as the GTX 480/ 580.

Just the different thing is Nvidia didn't lower their prices to an affordable level like when AMD was the slower ..
HD5870 was priced like a GTX 470 while it beat it at stock in DX9/10 games and perform much closer to the GTX 480.
HD6970 was priced like a GTX 570 while it was slightly slower it had much more VRAM.

AMD this generation has the best of the best and still cost lower than a 680. I actually started to respect this company and I might buy one of their next product line.
Nvidia fans need not to be stubborn and show some respect for AMD for what they did this generation.
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no. these cards are not in the same league. nobody is going to take your word for it.
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page12.html
this review uses the latest drivers for both camps.
"Breaking down performance figures at 1920x1200, the GeForce GTX 680 was just ~1% faster than the Radeon HD 7970, while it trailed the 7970 GHz Edition by a 7% margin. This doesn’t change at 2560x1600, where the GeForce GTX 680 is 2% slower than the Radeon HD 7970 and 11% slower than the 7970 GHz Edition, making the 7970 the obvious choice."
Even at 1080p an average 7% lead is significant and an average 11% lead at 2560 x 1600 is no joke. In games like BF3 at 1080p the gap is 12% at 1080p and 13% at 1600p. The HD 7900 cards scale better with overclocking. HD 7950 is 3 - 5% slower than HD 7970 at same clocks. HD 7950 (1.05 Ghz) will actually be faster than GTX 680 (which boost upto 1.1 Ghz or higher depending on the particular chip) . Even a 1.35 Ghz GTX 680 will find it hard to match a HD 7970(1.2 Ghz). Once HD 7900 cards get to 1250+ Mhz they are unbeatable.
As for the OP if he wants the best 3D experience Nvidia has the edge.

Why is it that you that you never take the real reference 7970 (that is, non-GE) into account when you do your math? As far as I can tell, splinterize said "the 680 vs 7970 battle is probably one of the closest that AMD and Nvidia ever had", saying nothing of the 7970 GE. Now take that Techspot quote of yours: at 1920 the 680 is 1% faster and at 2560 the 7970 is 2% faster. That's as close as they get, wouldn't you agree? The pricing is different, for sure, but for performance those cards are very, very close.
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Why is it that you that you never take the real reference 7970 (that is, non-GE) into account when you do your math? As far as I can tell, splinterize said "the 680 vs 7970 battle is probably one of the closest that AMD and Nvidia ever had", saying nothing of the 7970 GE. Now take that Techspot quote of yours: at 1920 the 680 is 1% faster and at 2560 the 7970 is 2% faster. That's as close as they get, wouldn't you agree? The pricing is different, for sure, but for performance those cards are very, very close.

Most 7970s in the market are GE now and they are priced like a GTX 680 while they are faster, especially at sub 2560 resolutions or higher.
They might be close at 1080p but the real point of those cards are high resolutions and the GTX 680 fails miserably at that, it even lose to a 7950 sometimes which can be found as low as $250.
7970 vanilla is priced like a GTX 670. and when both are overclocked in games that stress the bandwidth/ ROPs there is no contest even if the GTX 670 is golden and can do 1.3 GHz+ .
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I came from HD 6870 CF. It was the crappy driver that made me switch camp then, but now I'd buy two 7950s instead of what I have now if I'd known what I know now. frown.gif

I'm not a 3D fan so my vote is for the 7950.
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Why is it that you that you never take the real reference 7970 (that is, non-GE) into account when you do your math? As far as I can tell, splinterize said "the 680 vs 7970 battle is probably one of the closest that AMD and Nvidia ever had", saying nothing of the 7970 GE. Now take that Techspot quote of yours: at 1920 the 680 is 1% faster and at 2560 the 7970 is 2% faster. That's as close as they get, wouldn't you agree? The pricing is different, for sure, but for performance those cards are very, very close.

why are you defending the GTX 680 when its clearly slower. and this coming from a guy like you who has HD 7970s. see the problem is this. Even earlier when the HD 7970 overclocked was doing well against overclocked GTX 680 the argument was only stock comparisons are valid as overclocking is not deterministic and that we are at the mercy of the silicon lottery. Then when AMD released the HD 7970 Ghz and with the 12.7 beta drivers took the single GPU crown clearly, people again complained that its just a overclocked HD 7970. People quickly forgot their own arguments that only stock performance can be considered. And now when the HD 7970 Ghz is clearly faster at all resolutions and the gap increases at higher resolutions they are still complaining. Its simple. HD 7970 Ghz is significantly faster. the gap grows with overclocking .

users like bruennis have compared their GTX 680 lightning (1372 mhz) with the Gigabyte HD 7950(1280 Mhz) and said the HD 7950 is faster. tsm has posted his comparisons

http://www.overclock.net/t/1322119/12-11-vs-310-33
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