Originally Posted by MacLeod
Yeah, Piledriver was a big step in the right direction but theyre still a good bit behind Intel and in some areas by a large margin. If you look at the reviews like Anand's it looks like the 8350 is fairly close to the 3570 in a lot of things but theyre compared at stock clocks and that gives the 8350 a 600 MHz advantage. When you compare them at equal clocks, the i5 really starts to pull away. And when you consider most any Ivy and especially Sandy i5 can hit in the upper 4's with relative ease but we're seeing more and more people have problems getting their 8300's to go passed the mid 4's, thats a problem.
a problem for whom exactly ? 1% of the entire PC market ?
I also agree that the Bulldozer architecture isnt being utilized fully by software but I dont see this changing. You gotta go back to when BD first hit the drawing boards. Everybody was rolling dual cores and quad cores were all the rage. It was logical to think that 6 cores would be better and 8 would be better still. Unfortunately Intel went the other way of screaming IPC and turns out thats the way the CPU world went.
IPC went up with some instructions, FPU performance went up, Memory performance went up, AMD and its new gen of cpu's, went up, even improved power consumption.
I dont know near enough about engineering or how CPU's are designed and built so I dont know what the answer is. Ive been a loooooongtime AMD fanboy but I have to admit it does look bleak now. It appears now that there wont be a new AMD chip til late 2014 and by that time Haswell will have been out over a year with Broadwell looming. That means at least 1 generation of Intel chips will have been released without and answer from AMD and thats HUGE considering AMD is essentially a generation behind right now. Im just not sure if thats something they can overcome and thats probably the reason for the persistent rumors that AMD is bowing out of the the desktop CPU market altogether except for their APU's which are selling like hotcakes. I personally dont believe that and think theyre just delaying Steamroller to work on it more and make it better and more competitive. Im not giving up on the desktop/enthusiast market just yet.
Why do you care about where AMD is competing in the market ? this isn't baseball, its a cpu, you buy it to crunch numbers, you buy a certain amount of gflop per $, you buy what you can afford. All this drivel and carrying on by the folks around here about intel and amd being a generation apart. Why does this matter, buy the product you need at the price you need it, and move on.