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Blown away at what ? Super Pi ? No body denys the trades off associated with the first bulldozer iteration in regards to single threaded workloads, but to be honest, who gives a crap. any software worth its salt, is well optimized for multi core cpu's these days. If its not, the consumer is being cheated. But a Core 2 Quad does not "blow away " a 8150, in all but a few Intel compiler biased benchmarks and old x87 depndant bencmarks. Your welcome to come trying this line of dialog, but it's not worth the effort, each CPU has its optimal workload, if you don't have a use case for a 8 core AMD fx cpu, don't buy one.

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PS: i never said C2Q blew away the FX8150. why are you putting words in my mouth?

PPS: Core i7 3930K W/ HT turned off stomps 8 core FX-8150 or FX-8350. two less cores and it stomps the 8 core in video rendering and other multithread tasks. Defend that, mr. amd!
 
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When a FX-8150 cant blow away a Core 2 Quad, theres a problem. but you know..since youre the AMD guy i guess you could defend that fact. so go ahead.

Well I wouldnt exactly say that. A 8150 will outperform anything from the 775 days pretty easily. It competed with the Nehalem stuff pretty good as well too but that should be no surprise as thats the generation it was intended to compete with all along. If it hadnt been for the 2 year delay, Bulldozer wouldve looked a lot better. It wasnt til Sandy Bridge that Intel really pulled away.
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For AMD to survive they have to look for other markets. No other way. You can see that they have started now working with ARM and there APUs its logical choice but still maybe too late.

In terms of FX i think they should start aggressively increasing cores. I really hope steamroller have 12 ( +4cores on entire line up so 8core 10core and 12core or +2 modules per cpu) and excavator 16 cores etc.

Why you might ask ? Because they wont win in ICP race but they can cover market for cheap cores for productivity work with FX and i am looking forward to that. Not to mention that with Android and Linux now coming into prominence we should see more cores and threads being supported in all segments from mobile phones to dekstops (servers are already on there).
Edited by Stormscion - 11/26/12 at 9:53pm
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Well I wouldnt exactly say that. A 8150 will outperform anything from the 775 days pretty easily. It competed with the Nehalem stuff pretty good as well too but that should be no surprise as thats the generation it was intended to compete with all along. If it hadnt been for the 2 year delay, Bulldozer wouldve looked a lot better. It wasnt til Sandy Bridge that Intel really pulled away.

Wrong.

Q9650 vs FX-8150

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/49?vs=434

closer than it should be.

i7 950 vs FX-8150

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=434

This is where its pretty much close. but it was released last year. thats the epic fail. nehalem was released in '08
 
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I for one think that amd is doing great with their latest fm2 socket chips. They are great! (this coming from an self confessed Intel fan boy) The last four pc's I have build for customers have been with the a10-5800k which I am very impressed with! I'm hitting 4.2 to 4.5 on cheap air coolers and the built in graphics are the best I have seen (onboard). Also cool is that you can hi-bred the apu with a discreet gpu for some crossfire loving on the cheap. This is all true without considering the low price of $120... It's almost stealing compared to Intel.
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PS: i never said C2Q blew away the FX8150. why are you putting words in my mouth?
PPS: Core i7 3930K W/ HT turned off stomps 8 core FX-8150 or FX-8350. two less cores and it stomps the 8 core in video rendering and other multithread tasks. Defend that, mr. amd!

You also paid more than double for that 3930K thumb.gif

All that matters is the same price bracket.
Edited by Slappa - 11/26/12 at 9:58pm
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Wrong.
Q9650 vs FX-8150
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/49?vs=434
closer than it should be.
i7 950 vs FX-8150
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=434
This is where its pretty much close. but it was released last year. thats the epic fail. nehalem was released in '08

Closer than it should be? Bulldozer beats it by 2:1 in some of those benchmarks. And yeah, we agree about Nehalem. Like I said, if Bulldozer had released in 2009 or 2010 like it was supposed to, it wouldnt be as bad and wouldve held its own. Being released in 2011, a complete generation behind, thats what makes it bad.

Dont get me wrong, Ill be the first to admit to Bulldozer's lackluster performance but a lot of its deficiencies are WAY over exaggerated.
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You also paid double for that 3930K thumb.gif

Nearly triple actually. biggrin.gif
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You also paid more than double for that 3930K thumb.gif
All that matters is the same price bracket.

nope smile.gif

$120. intel retail edge. :3

so technically my 3930K poops on the FX8150 and FX8350 for performance per dollar. wink.gif
 
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nope smile.gif
$120. intel retail edge. :3

Well in that case good for you. Not everyone has access to Intel Retail Edge, if we all did, I'm sure no one would be buying the 3570K either wink.gif

Either way lets keep the conversation constructive guys.

The point I was trying to make is you should compare processors that are priced to compete accordingly. Or else you will get the people that will flag you as a fanboy and the thread will just get closed as a result of the flame war !
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nope smile.gif
$120. intel retail edge. :3
so technically my 3930K poops on the FX8150 and FX8350 for performance per dollar. wink.gif

Oh man, you suck! I want one of those Retail Edge deals so bad! $120 for a 3930K! Thats just obscene. I should go get a job sweeping floors at Best Buy or something just so I can get in on one of those. biggrin.gif
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