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opteron 185 would be the best for that socket as far as im aware of..
maybe get an opteron 180 they are 20-40 dollars on ebay cause the chinese have been emptying their inventories out..

the prices are quite expensive tho...

ram would be, something along the lines of, g skill ddr500 or some ddr500 ram (again the prices would be expensive)..

the ram should hold up pretty well even by todays benchmarks maybe around 10k read cause they are low timing in comparison to ddr3..

It would be a nice machine still it should run anything you throw at it on medium settings but its only for nostalgia purposes obviously...

the prices of 939 components is higher than the newest stuff out
Edited by Clipze - 12/2/12 at 5:52pm
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If you really want the best AMD 939 socket system, you should get them:
CPU:
Opteron 165: 0610DPMW, 0615DPMW, 0616XPMW... etc.
Opteron 175: 0613RPMW
Opteron 185: 0613RPMW (Awsome! The Opteron 185 "0613RPMW" even stronger than FX-60!)

I don't quite know what to make of this...... wth.gif

The "0613RPMW" part of a CPU's info doesn't mean it's any better unless there is something about that chip batch that makes it so but I doubt it. Of course a 185 Opty in itself should be good but saying any and all CPU's with "0613RPMW" as part of it's data string makes it the best is pure mis-information.

There are other dates and batches that rate just as highly as "0613RPMW" does - In fact chips with the LCBQE stepping tend to be among the best ones overall and there are results to back that up, both here and elsewhere.
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MB:
DFI nF4 Ultra-D Rev.A0D, DFI nF4 SLI-DR VENUS, DFI CFX3200-DR

No arguements on this, the Venus version is the best you can do overall IF you can find one.
As I had said earier, the performance difference between it and an Expert board (Which the Venus really is anyway) is neglegible so there is no need to go out and beat the bushes for one of these. If you run across one, great but it vs an Expert in terms of performance = Not much difference. The solid state caps a Venus has is the only real difference between it and a Expert board anyway.
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RAM:
one stick max 512MB:
TCCD:
G.SKILL F1-4400DSU2-1GBLE, F1-4800DSU2-1GBFF, F1-4800DSU2-1GBFR, F1-4800DSU2-1GBLA..... etc.
GeIL GOS1GB3200DC
OCZ EL PC4800 Platinum Edition....... etc.
BH-5:
G.SKILL F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH
GeIL GOW1GB3200DC
one stick max 1GB:
BE-5, CE-5:
mushkin XP4000 Redline 3-3-2-8
CORSAIR TWINX2048-3500LLPRO, TWINX2048-4400PRO
-5B T, -5B F:
Crucial Ballistix PC4000 BL12864Z503, Ballistix Tracer PC4000 BL12864L503
Also, you can read threads:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?96900-Dual-Core-Opteron-Thread-2
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=246130

When you say "One stick", are you trying to say run just one stick of RAM for best performance? wth.gif
I'm just trying to clarify here what's being said since I know it's best to run sticks in dual channel for best performance.

I agree with the examples of what type of sticks listed, those are indeed some good ones to get if you can find them.
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I don't quite know what to make of this...... wth.gif
The "0613RPMW" part of a CPU's info doesn't mean it's any better unless there is something about that chip batch that makes it so but I doubt it. Of course a 185 Opty in itself should be good but saying any and all CPU's with "0613RPMW" as part of it's data string makes it the best is pure mis-information.
There are other dates and batches that rate just as highly as "0613RPMW" does - In fact chips with the LCBQE stepping tend to be among the best ones overall and there are results to back that up, both here and elsewhere.

Read this thread, and you will understand why I would reply.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?96900-Dual-Core-Opteron-Thread-2&p=2034252&viewfull=1#post2034252
When someone buy Opteron 939 series, search the "date stepping" is right.
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No arguements on this, the Venus version is the best you can do overall IF you can find one.
As I had said earier, the performance difference between it and an Expert board (Which the Venus really is anyway) is neglegible so there is no need to go out and beat the bushes for one of these. If you run across one, great but it vs an Expert in terms of performance = Not much difference. The solid state caps a Venus has is the only real difference between it and a Expert board anyway.
Even VENUS and Expert are not different too mucn, but different is different. And read this thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?94391-DFI-boards-and-what-they-do
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When you say "One stick", are you trying to say run just one stick of RAM for best performance? wth.gif
I'm just trying to clarify here what's being said since I know it's best to run sticks in dual channel for best performance.
I agree with the examples of what type of sticks listed, those are indeed some good ones to get if you can find them.
I reply "one stick" is mean that chips who can make capacity.
Do you see the Winbond BH-5 have 1GB with one stick before?

Infineon BE-5 can make one stick with 256MB, 512MB and 1024MB.
Winbond BH-5 can make one stick with 256MB and 512MB. (I forget that whether BH-5 can make one stick with 128MB or not.)

If you want to understand more about chips, you can use Google to search more information.
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I never said the CCBBE's were bad, only that to use a given date and batch as an absolute "Definitive" isn't accurate.
Some chips of that date and batch/stepping will indeed fly, others will just sit there and....... Well you know what I mean. I've had some of those myself that were of good batches and dates/steppings that either did well or simply defied what they were "Supposed" to do as in bombed miserably.

As for the difference between an Expert vs a Venus, again with the rarity of a Venus, simply not worth beating down the bushes for one UNLESS you already have a line on one or just get lucky.
A Venus is a tad more capable than an Expert but the only real difference again is the caps used, all else is the same. While I agree that 1or 2 MHz worth of difference is that, I'm not gonna passup a good Expert in the hopes that a Venus might fall from the sky into my lap.... With only 1000 of those having been made, I just don't see it happening even if I were actively looking for one.
If I ever do stumble across one, that's different....wink.gif

Thanks for clarifying what you meant about RAM.
BTW I do know plenty about the subject, I just wanted some clarification as to what you meant. The way it was posted up made it sound like (To me at least kookoo.gif ) it was being said to run only one stick and I know that just didn't sound right.
Sorry about all that but I still wanted that to be clarified.
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I never said the CCBBE's were bad, only that to use a given date and batch as an absolute "Definitive" isn't accurate.
Some chips of that date and batch/stepping will indeed fly, others will just sit there and....... Well you know what I mean. I've had some of those myself that were of good batches and dates/steppings that either did well or simply defied what they were "Supposed" to do as in bombed miserably.
About this, I only say: to read threads, to search with Google.

I have Opteron 175 0613RPMW and Opteron 185 0613RPMW.
The Opteron 175 0613RPMW (1443496C602**) can 1.264v do 246 x 11, 2706MHz.
The Opteron 185 0613RPMW (1443491C600**) can 1.312v do 231 x 13, 3003MHz.
FX-60 is great, I know, it is high-end 939 CPU. I search Google to find information about FX-60 sometimes, I only find the FX-60 "Low Voltage Edition" may be compete with Opteron 185 0613RPMW.

http://www.amdgeeks.net/overclockdatabase
"Processor" select "AMD Dual-Core Opteron".
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As for the difference between an Expert vs a Venus, again with the rarity of a Venus, simply not worth beating down the bushes for one UNLESS you already have a line on one or just get lucky.
A Venus is a tad more capable than an Expert but the only real difference again is the caps used, all else is the same. While I agree that 1or 2 MHz worth of difference is that, I'm not gonna passup a good Expert in the hopes that a Venus might fall from the sky into my lap.... With only 1000 of those having been made, I just don't see it happening even if I were actively looking for one.
If I ever do stumble across one, that's different....wink.gif
I have a VENUS, the number is 9**(946-965, one of the 20 numbers, guess it. smilingsmiley.gif). And I have two CFX3200-DR.
If you ask me what the different between VENUS and CFX3200-DR, I can answer it.
But if you ask me what the different between Expert and VENUS, I can not answer it. Because I don't have Expert.

I do not recommend to buy Expert.
If you have Winbond UTT, BH-5, CH-5 ram (Winbond chips), go, go , go, buy DFI Expert!
But if you do not have Winbond chips ram, buy Ultra-D may be the good choose.
(DFI VENUS is too hard to buy it, 1000 on the earth......)
(DFI CFX3200-DR is a bit difficult to find, it would be auction or Buy it Now on the eBay sometimes.)
DFI nF4 Ultra-D be good at Samsung TCCD, Winbond BH-5, Micron -5B G, Infineon BE-5....etc.
DFI Expert be good at Winbond chips ram!
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Thanks for clarifying what you meant about RAM.
BTW I do know plenty about the subject, I just wanted some clarification as to what you meant. The way it was posted up made it sound like (To me at least kookoo.gif ) it was being said to run only one stick and I know that just didn't sound right.
Sorry about all that but I still wanted that to be clarified.
No....hmmsmiley02.gif
Alright, maybe I redundant to say that...
When one stick is 512MB, Dual Channel will be 512MB x 2, two sticks total 1GB. TCCD, BH-5... etc are two sticks total 1GB.
When one stick is 1024MB, Dual Channel will be 1024MB x 2, two sticks total 2GB. BE-5/CE-5, -5B D/-5B F....etc are two sticks total 2GB.
There are different between 512MB x 2 (TCCD, BH-5... etc)and 1024MB x 2. (BE-5/CE-5, -5B D/-5B F....etc)
It is why I reply.

For example, TCCD max capacity is 512MB with one stick. So, two sticks TCCD with Dual Channel will be 512MB x 2, total 1GB.
Furthermore, -5B D max capacity is 1024MB with one stick. So, two sticks -5B D with Dual Channel will be 1024MB x 2, total 2GB.

If my description let you misunderstanding, I am sorry... Maybe I explain not enough good.
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About this, I only say: to read threads, to search with Google.
I have Opteron 175 0613RPMW and Opteron 185 0613RPMW.
The Opteron 175 0613RPMW (1443496C602**) can 1.264v do 246 x 11, 2706MHz.
The Opteron 185 0613RPMW (1443491C600**) can 1.312v do 231 x 13, 3003MHz.
FX-60 is great, I know, it is high-end 939 CPU. I search Google to find information about FX-60 sometimes, I only find the FX-60 "Low Voltage Edition" may be compete with Opteron 185 0613RPMW.
http://www.amdgeeks.net/overclockdatabase
"Processor" select "AMD Dual-Core Opteron".
I have a VENUS, the number is 9**(946-965, one of the 20 numbers, guess it. smilingsmiley.gif). And I have two CFX3200-DR.
If you ask me what the different between VENUS and CFX3200-DR, I can answer it.
But if you ask me what the different between Expert and VENUS, I can not answer it. Because I don't have Expert.
I do not recommend to buy Expert.
If you have Winbond UTT, BH-5, CH-5 ram (Winbond chips), go, go , go, buy DFI Expert!
But if you do not have Winbond chips ram, buy Ultra-D may be the good choose.
(DFI VENUS is too hard to buy it, 1000 on the earth......)
(DFI CFX3200-DR is a bit difficult to find, it would be auction or Buy it Now on the eBay sometimes.)
DFI nF4 Ultra-D be good at Samsung TCCD, Winbond BH-5, Micron -5B G, Infineon BE-5....etc.
DFI Expert be good at Winbond chips ram!
No....hmmsmiley02.gif
Alright, maybe I redundant to say that...
When one stick is 512MB, Dual Channel will be 512MB x 2, two sticks total 1GB. TCCD, BH-5... etc are two sticks total 1GB.
When one stick is 1024MB, Dual Channel will be 1024MB x 2, two sticks total 2GB. BE-5/CE-5, -5B D/-5B F....etc are two sticks total 2GB.
There are different between 512MB x 2 (TCCD, BH-5... etc)and 1024MB x 2. (BE-5/CE-5, -5B D/-5B F....etc)
It is why I reply.
For example, TCCD max capacity is 512MB with one stick. So, two sticks TCCD with Dual Channel will be 512MB x 2, total 1GB.
Furthermore, -5B D max capacity is 1024MB with one stick. So, two sticks -5B D with Dual Channel will be 1024MB x 2, total 2GB.
If my description let you misunderstanding, I am sorry... Maybe I explain not enough good.

No prob man, I was simply trying to make sense of the way you had the RAM part of it done.
Good job clarifying it. thumb.gif

Here's a couple of 939 comparison threads I started a few years ago, incomplete of course and additional entries are welcomed as they appear. Both Single and Dual core chips are covered with a set voltage standard used for the comparisons.

http://classicplatforms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=200&t=3791
http://classicplatforms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=200&t=4246

I do have an Expert and it's a great board. All I was saying about the Venus vs the Expert is unless you already have a definitve line on one, don't waste time waiting on one (Venus) to magically appear vs getting an Expert if an Expert is available for purchase. redface.gif You know that these boards rarely come up for sale anyway - If I had a Venus, I'd keep it for sure and that applies to the Expert I have now.

I also have to agree that certain board models may or may not "Like" a given set of sticks, based on what's in them. This has been a subject of discussion many times over with more or less the same conclusions when all is said and done.
Edited by Kryton - 12/2/12 at 8:47pm
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