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Hi guys once again I need your help...

I'm planning to do an upgrade to the brains of my computer that is oh so bottlenecking the hell out of my new-ish graphics card I bought last year.

I'm currently on a Core 2 Quad from Intel, with 4GB of DDR2 and a basic Asus motherboard.

After viewing Newegg.ca... It seems the choice is clear, http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

The AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz with 8 cores just seems so insane. I mean. I'm running 4 cores at some garbage speed. I can buy the most expensive cpu AMD sells for desktops on Newegg.ca

But... Are the numbers fooling me? From what I hear it's a classic "WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?" question.

For me. I want to play games, and have the ability to do video rendering/intensive tasks at a decent speed, but that is merely a side-show, gaming is my priority.

I have heard that the number of cores is excessive? That I do not need them? I mean, it's a 200$ CPU. Well within my budget. I really can't find a reason not to get it. It's either that one or Intel's... http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz

I fail to see how a 4 core (what I already have) @ 3.5Ghz which is nearly double the price of the AMD one and will take up a HUGE chunk of my budget is worth it. When I can buy myself a CPU from AMD with double the amount of cores, 0.5 ghz more, (yes it matters as I do not intend on overclocking just yet) and stay well within my budget.

Enlighten me. Please.
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post #2 of 56
The Intel is a more powerful CPU.

The real kicker though is how you use the computer.
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When I say rendering video. I mean like the classic little xbox kid who makes a montage every now and then and uploads it to Youtube. Im not remotely some sort of art/video nerd. I play video games. And I am intrested in live streaming it.

So other than the normal. Livestreaming, photoshop, and recording games/rendering. That's as far as "intenstive tasks" go.

Am I just choosing the wrong Intel CPU?...

I kind of need someone to babysit me for a few posts here. LOL.
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post #4 of 56
just depends how you use it and what your willing to spend


I myself play games but also do a LOT of CAD work and rendering and went with an FX-8350, it preforms JUST AS WELL as intel (for what I specifically do) for less money so AMD was the clear route for me but everyones needs are greatly different
post #5 of 56
If you'll just be editing gameplay and home videos, just get an i5-3570K, it'll be plenty for your needs and once you overclock it to 4GHz and above, it'll slice through whatever you do like a hot knife on better. wink.gif
post #6 of 56
The 8350 and the i7 3770k are both fantastic CPU's, I suspect for what you do you will be happy with either. At the end of the day the Intel 3770 is faster at most tasks.

LGA1155 is a dead socket.
AM3+ has one more CPU coming out.
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post #7 of 56
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

Read it. That's all you need to know. 3570k gets my recommendation. Had a 955 before but it clocked unusually high to 4.2ghz, the NB which helps the Phenom II architecture a lot, also clocked higher than most non-Thubans (I got up to 2800).
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One thing I will say about the supposed 8 core processor is that there isn't actually 8 physical cores. There is only 4 real cores and another 4 virtual cores. For gaming all you need is 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram and you're good for the CPU part of gaming. When you're rendering big video files or anything movie editing related you will want something like a 6 physical core 1100T or an intel 3770 which would dominate the 8 core. Thats where your price difference comes into play. The other thing is that intel will have significantly lower temps or volts needed to overclock the cpu and might be easier than AMD to overclock. For gaming tho that AMD would be decent if you already have the AM3+ board and stuff and all ya need to do is drop in the CPU.
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post #9 of 56
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Okay. I'll be blunt.

I'm a budget. So the AMD wins almost right away.

My question is... With the AMD one. Am I going to be able to play all the typical games/up and coming ones. At very nice or even maxxed out settings with good FPS...

Whilst, possibly livestreaming/and or recording it at a decent quality/fps etc.

And still... Being able to have some speed in the more technical side of things with rendering/live streaming.
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post #10 of 56
Perhaps something you didn't look into: No PCIe 3.0 on AMD mad.gif
That's a pretty huge dealbreaker in terms of future expandability IMHO .

They're decent though and overclocking is much more fun but aside from that, Intel is just better, especially for gaming. I wouldn't get an i7 if I were you though. Hyperthreading sometimes messes up performance in games. And if you have to disable it then you're practically wasting the $ 100 extra it costs.

I'd get an i5 3570k if I were you, about the same price, motherboard might be a bit more expensive but overall you'll have a better more up-to-date system with plenty of power when overclocked thumb.gif .

Definitely don't just look at the cores, a quad-core i5 is really a lot better than that core2quad you have now.

EDIT: You say you're on a budget, but the FX8350 and a decent mobo is in the price range of a i5 3570k + low/mid-end mobo (which would be fine for overclocking). If you go lower in price then I'd say go for AMD, but in that price-bracket, it's a bit silly to go for AMD.

BUT the AMD might handle the livestreaming/ recording while playing a bit better but this is merely speculation. Pity review sites never tests this as a multi-tasking benchmark.

EDIT2: Maxing out a game will pretty much depend on your GPU's. Unless it's very poorly threaded, then you might see a bottleneck with the FX due to it's lower IPC (it's not as bad as bulldozer though).
Edited by Bloitz - 11/26/12 at 12:03am
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