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Okay... I'm starting to lean towards the Intel side of things. Once i learn to get over the fact AMD's stuff comes in shiny black boxes and has nicer marketing. I think Ill be fine. LOL.

So my question is.

Ivy Bridge is the way to go since it's just newer?

Also. i5 or i7. from what I can tell they are both quad core. The differance is hyper-threading support? It's approximately 100$ differance in price. What does hyper-threading do for me.

Again, I'm gonna do a lot of gaming, and I intend to livestream/record in a decent quality.

Intel's efficiency per clock cycle went out the roof when Sandy Bridge came out, add in Ivy Bridge's IPC gains and you have a solid processor.
If you have a microcenter near you, the 3570k is a no brainer. $170.
Or look on slickdeals http://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?firstonly=1&q=3570k

Hyper-threading does nothing for you. You don't do the kind of video rendering that's the fancy-schmancy hipster awesome stuff you see on vimeo. You don't apply effects or things like that so much that $ spent on HT or more than 4 cores is worth it.

The Ivy quads will rip through anything you have ANYWAYS. overclocking is highly recommended. I got mine up on 4.6ghz with temps which are like 15C below my limit so I could pump more voltage if I want to since I have a D14.

All in all, the Vishera will pull ahead in well-multi-threaded apps but for gaming? The 3570k has my recommendation. If you don't have the budget for it, ask. That requires some more thinking, which my intuition says will still land on the intel side for lower budget ranges. Check the tomshardware article.
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Ok, one big fault here is that you are shopping at Newegg.ca... and you live in Metro Vancouver o_O

Take the 595 bus down to Langley and go to NCIX. Buy locally. Avoid shipping costs completely. Take advantage of price match in case Newegg.ca itself costs less. Buying off Newegg.ca while being a Canadian is just a bad choice when you can often get so much better shipping times and deals with CANADIAN retailers (Newegg is based in America) and esp. if you live near local computer stores like NCIX.

 

FX-8350 on Newegg.ca after 12% HST, shipping costs, and whatever time to ship: $253.40

FX-8350 on NCIX.ca (Current pricing) after 12% HST, no shipping, pick up any time: $212.80

Save over $40

 

The 8320 is just $165 on NCIX too.

 

Now, to address misconceptions.

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you will want something like a 6 physical core 1100T or an intel 3770 which would dominate the 8 core.

This is no longer the era of Bulldozer, this is the era of Piledriver. The FX-6300 matches Phenom II x6's in multithread performance. The FX-8300 will slay the Phenom II x6. Piledriver is so much closer to/better than Phenom II.

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Perhaps something you didn't look into: No PCIe 3.0 on AMD mad.gif
That's a pretty huge dealbreaker in terms of future expandability IMHO .

Not really, as few cards use the potential of PCIe 3.0 at this moment.

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If you have a microcenter near you, the 3570k is a no brainer. $170.

...You'll notice he lives in Canada.

 

OP (INF1NIT3) you are doing a good job of considering your needs and noting that the 8350 will provide the 3770k's multitasking/multithreaded prowess for less than a 3570k. You may want to consider your gaming needs, however, on a per-game basis. In a real world scenario with a larger monitor and a high end single GPU config, many games will offer little difference - if there is a difference to start with, because your setup will probably max most games and offer 60+ FPS regardless of what processor you choose. If you are limited by budget, the lower price of the 8350 may allow you to balance the budget towards a better GPU and more gaming performance regardless in most titles.


Edited by xd_1771 - 11/26/12 at 12:41am
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I do intend on livestreaming/and or recording very often. Probably 50% or more of any gameplay. I have no issue with waiting seconds or a minute or two longer for video renders etc. the part I'm more concerned about is smooth gameplay/recording/livestream when it happens.
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The thing that will surprise you the most is how much faster all 3 cpus are compared to your old C2Q
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Ok, one big fault here is that you are shopping at Newegg.ca... and you live in Metro Vancouver o_O
Take the 595 bus down to Langley and go to NCIX. Buy locally. Avoid shipping costs completely. Take advantage of price match in case Newegg.ca itself costs less. Buying off Newegg.ca while being a Canadian is just a bad choice when you can often get so much better shipping times and deals with CANADIAN retailers (Newegg is based in America) and esp. if you live near local computer stores like NCIX.

FX-8350 on Newegg.ca after 12% HST, shipping costs, and whatever time to ship: $253.40
FX-8350 on NCIX.ca (Current pricing) after 12% HST, no shipping, pick up any time: $212.80
Save over $40

The 8320 is just $165 on NCIX too.

Listen to this man. I've seen him get hoards of stuff from NCIX which makes me jealous! But then again, after my trip to Canada, I'm not jealous of it at all! So much more cheap stuff in AMURICCUH.
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Sorry. I do intend on buying from NCIX it's where i bought my last upgrade from. I merely use Newegg.ca as a browser. Before I find the thing I want on NCIX.

From everyones responses. I gather Intel is the better decision. Even if AMD is still a decent choice as well. Lesser of two evils sort of thing.

The question is i7 or i5. Is the hyper threading gonna make a differance for my gameplay. Livestreaming/or recording.
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Sorry. I do intend on buying from NCIX it's where i bought my last upgrade from. I merely use Newegg.ca as a browser. Before I find the thing I want on NCIX.
From everyones responses. I gather Intel is the better decision. Even if AMD is still a decent choice as well. Lesser of two evils sort of thing.
The question is i7 or i5. Is the hyper threading gonna make a differance for my gameplay. Livestreaming/or recording.

yes it will, specially if you are livestreaming/recording CPU intensive games.
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Im going to sleep on it. But. I think that I would rather be safe than sorry by getting the i7. Im worried by getting the i5 that Ill notice poor performance in the whole livestreaming/recording area. Im looking for longevity here too. It will be atleast 3 years before I can replace these parts again.
I will sleep on it. And weigh my options tommorow Ill let you know what I decide. thanks guys.
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Im going to sleep on it. But. I think that I would rather be safe than sorry by getting the i7. Im worried by getting the i5 that Ill notice poor performance in the whole livestreaming/recording area. Im looking for longevity here too. It will be atleast 3 years before I can replace these parts again.
I will sleep on it. And weigh my options tommorow Ill let you know what I decide. thanks guys.

think about this, what if you get the i5 and found out that it's not powerful enough for your needs? you will wish that you should have bought the i7 instead.
if you can afford the i7 then go get it.
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Im currently doing some window shopping. But I think despite the price gap and the generally more expensive components for an Intel based rig. I can still pull it off. WAY under budget...

I'm trying to fit the following into a order...

Motherboard - Intel - Preferably an ASUS? I'm having the most difficulty here, I would like the option to use Crossfire/SLI. I also am new to this whole USB 3.0 PCI 3.0 SATA 3.0 Stuff. Whats the facts? Is it just a marketing gimmick, or a nice little extra? I really like the look of that Sabertooth board with the eye candy covering they dub as "Thermal Armor"... Silly i know, but it sure does look snazzy.

CPU - Intel i7 - I can spare the difference between the i5, I would rather be safe than sorry with the live streaming/recording/game play side of things.

All-in-one liquid cooling - I have my eyes on the Antec Kuhler 920... I'm just a bit of a fan-boy of Antec because I have their case, but the Corsair seems nice too. I don't know just yet.

Memory - I know that 4GB is the adequate amount. But I feel 8GB is more than enough for what i want. IT also is not a ridiculously pricey thing to get excessive with. 69$ for 8GB (2x4GB Vengeance Corsair RAM)? Not a big deal right?

Thermal paste... Because I am tired of buying garbage grade paste from a store brand (nexxtech i think its called) for 14$ and literally getting the same amount, I would brush my teeth with in 3 days.
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