Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Sound Cards and Computer Audio › [Help] Searching for headphones - $300
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Help] Searching for headphones - $300 - Page 3

post #21 of 39
DT880s don't have enough bass to be enjoyable.

AKG K702 even less so.

Glad to see the D600s finally resembling their actual worth instead of the absurd prices Denon was gouging people for upon release.

You can't EQ headphones to perfection. Some headphones just SUCK at certain things. The HD595s just SUCK at bass. The end.

The HE400 is good, but out of his price range completely.

He can do better than the A900X. AKG K550 is a possibility, but he has to go over his price range when he buys the amp.

You can't simply READ the specs and understand a headphone amp to be good. You have to do better than that. You have to hear the dang thing yourself. You can't expect to read specs and understand how it performs.

If you can't hear the difference between headphones, then you need not continue to post as your hearing is dead.
2nd Gig
(24 items)
 
Sayonara
(20 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
  hide details  
Reply
2nd Gig
(24 items)
 
Sayonara
(20 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 39
I don't think it's absurd. the AH-D600 is a step above the Beyerdynamic DT and Ultrasone PRO series in my opinion just as I thought the AH-D5000 was and I don't regret paying the extra $150. people are always going to have problems paying $500 for a headphone whether it's Denon or not.

this is a sale not a price cut so buy now!
Edited by bumblebee1980 - 11/29/12 at 5:03pm
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570k Asus P8Z77-V Pro Gigabyte GTX 670 2GB Windforce Edition  8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 520 60GB  Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB Asus DRW-24B1ST Noctua NH-D14 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 Windows 7 64-bit BenQ 24" XL2420T 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX650 Corsair 550D Zowie EC1-A 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Corsair MM200 Mytek Stereo 192 DSD Geek Pulse X Burson HA-160 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
La Figaro 339 Graham Slee Novo Fostex PM8.4.1 Active Monitors Audeze LCD-3 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD600 Wireworld Ultraviolet USB Wireworld Oasis 6 XLR interconnects Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 MHDT Steeplechase Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects RCA Splitter 
Other
Furman PS-PRO II 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570k Asus P8Z77-V Pro Gigabyte GTX 670 2GB Windforce Edition  8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 520 60GB  Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB Asus DRW-24B1ST Noctua NH-D14 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 Windows 7 64-bit BenQ 24" XL2420T 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX650 Corsair 550D Zowie EC1-A 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Corsair MM200 Mytek Stereo 192 DSD Geek Pulse X Burson HA-160 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
La Figaro 339 Graham Slee Novo Fostex PM8.4.1 Active Monitors Audeze LCD-3 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD600 Wireworld Ultraviolet USB Wireworld Oasis 6 XLR interconnects Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 MHDT Steeplechase Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects RCA Splitter 
Other
Furman PS-PRO II 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simca View Post

DT880s don't have enough bass to be enjoyable.
AKG K702 even less so.
Glad to see the D600s finally resembling their actual worth instead of the absurd prices Denon was gouging people for upon release.
You can't EQ headphones to perfection. Some headphones just SUCK at certain things. The HD595s just SUCK at bass. The end.
The HE400 is good, but out of his price range completely.
He can do better than the A900X. AKG K550 is a possibility, but he has to go over his price range when he buys the amp.
You can't simply READ the specs and understand a headphone amp to be good. You have to do better than that. You have to hear the dang thing yourself. You can't expect to read specs and understand how it performs.
If you can't hear the difference between headphones, then you need not continue to post as your hearing is dead.

I agree with just about everything, but this whole argument about poor base response is not as important as everyone seems to be making it. Don't get me wrong, it is important, and you are right to say that some headphones just plain suck at certain things, but it is not the end of the world to have poor base response at this type of price range. If you use any basic equalizer, the bass response is the easiest thing to level out. The mids are the most important thing to focus on which I think AKG, and audio technica does fairly well (not perfect, but it is much better than it is given credit for), and then the highs can also be equalized. The mids are what should be left the hell alone when equalizing headphones.

I agree that you can't equalize everything to perfection. I agree that there are certain headphones that just plain suck, but you are kind of raining on a lot of great headphones that actually do have a lot of potential of they are properly equalized. The AKG headphones are amazing when your equalize them, and while the audio technica's don't have the same potential as the AKG headphones (in my opinion at least), they still respond pretty well.

I don't want to say that you are wrong, but I do want to add slight perspective to the topic as a whole....if that makes sense to you.
Yin&Yang
(19 items)
 
Soon
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4820K Gigabyte X79 UP4 GTX 660 (waiting for new AMD cards) Samsung green  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster T240HD Coolermaster XT Green switches XFX 1000w Corsair 800D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Naga Epic 2014 edition Razer Vespula Stax Lambda Nova Classic Custom DIY DAC 
AudioAudioOther
300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz 8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz EVGA X99 SR?  AMD 390x 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Linux 16:10 Samsung PLS 4K monitor Corsair RGB keyboard with custom cherry MX supe... EVGA 1600 watt titanium  
CaseMouseAudio
Caselabs Magnum STH10 DIY my own mouse Snell J 3 
  hide details  
Reply
Yin&Yang
(19 items)
 
Soon
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4820K Gigabyte X79 UP4 GTX 660 (waiting for new AMD cards) Samsung green  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster T240HD Coolermaster XT Green switches XFX 1000w Corsair 800D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Naga Epic 2014 edition Razer Vespula Stax Lambda Nova Classic Custom DIY DAC 
AudioAudioOther
300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz 8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz EVGA X99 SR?  AMD 390x 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Linux 16:10 Samsung PLS 4K monitor Corsair RGB keyboard with custom cherry MX supe... EVGA 1600 watt titanium  
CaseMouseAudio
Caselabs Magnum STH10 DIY my own mouse Snell J 3 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 39
When you EQ a headphone too much, you cause distortion that ruins SQ. That distortion also bleeds into other areas of the headphone. The K702s don't have enough bass. You can EQ them all you want, but you won't get the bass you do out of HE-400s or other bass centered headphones. Everyone's idea of "Good bass" is different, but you can't make K702s as bassy as HE-400s. It's not going to happen.

If the d600s aren't being brought down to 330, then that makes it even LESS desirable than it currently is.
2nd Gig
(24 items)
 
Sayonara
(20 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
  hide details  
Reply
2nd Gig
(24 items)
 
Sayonara
(20 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 39
I think the Denon headphones are a step above all the ones recommended here at $300 not to mention it's the right headphone for him and you guys really need to learn how to play nice in the sand box.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570k Asus P8Z77-V Pro Gigabyte GTX 670 2GB Windforce Edition  8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 520 60GB  Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB Asus DRW-24B1ST Noctua NH-D14 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 Windows 7 64-bit BenQ 24" XL2420T 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX650 Corsair 550D Zowie EC1-A 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Corsair MM200 Mytek Stereo 192 DSD Geek Pulse X Burson HA-160 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
La Figaro 339 Graham Slee Novo Fostex PM8.4.1 Active Monitors Audeze LCD-3 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD600 Wireworld Ultraviolet USB Wireworld Oasis 6 XLR interconnects Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 MHDT Steeplechase Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects RCA Splitter 
Other
Furman PS-PRO II 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-3570k Asus P8Z77-V Pro Gigabyte GTX 670 2GB Windforce Edition  8GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 520 60GB  Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB Asus DRW-24B1ST Noctua NH-D14 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-F12 Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua NF-P12 Noctua NF-P12 Windows 7 64-bit BenQ 24" XL2420T 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX650 Corsair 550D Zowie EC1-A 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Corsair MM200 Mytek Stereo 192 DSD Geek Pulse X Burson HA-160 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
La Figaro 339 Graham Slee Novo Fostex PM8.4.1 Active Monitors Audeze LCD-3 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Sennheiser HD600 Wireworld Ultraviolet USB Wireworld Oasis 6 XLR interconnects Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 MHDT Steeplechase Wireworld Solstice 6 RCA interconnects RCA Splitter 
Other
Furman PS-PRO II 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simca View Post

When you EQ a headphone too much, you cause distortion that ruins SQ. That distortion also bleeds into other areas of the headphone. The K702s don't have enough bass. You can EQ them all you want, but you won't get the bass you do out of HE-400s or other bass centered headphones. Everyone's idea of "Good bass" is different, but you can't make K702s as bassy as HE-400s. It's not going to happen.
If the d600s aren't being brought down to 330, then that makes it even LESS desirable than it currently is.

True, but in the end it gets back to the point that you just made. Everyone's preference of bass, and for that matter sound altogether, is different. Which gets back to my original suggestion of taking an iPod or something down to best buy. smile.gif
Yin&Yang
(19 items)
 
Soon
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4820K Gigabyte X79 UP4 GTX 660 (waiting for new AMD cards) Samsung green  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster T240HD Coolermaster XT Green switches XFX 1000w Corsair 800D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Naga Epic 2014 edition Razer Vespula Stax Lambda Nova Classic Custom DIY DAC 
AudioAudioOther
300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz 8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz EVGA X99 SR?  AMD 390x 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Linux 16:10 Samsung PLS 4K monitor Corsair RGB keyboard with custom cherry MX supe... EVGA 1600 watt titanium  
CaseMouseAudio
Caselabs Magnum STH10 DIY my own mouse Snell J 3 
  hide details  
Reply
Yin&Yang
(19 items)
 
Soon
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4820K Gigabyte X79 UP4 GTX 660 (waiting for new AMD cards) Samsung green  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster T240HD Coolermaster XT Green switches XFX 1000w Corsair 800D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Naga Epic 2014 edition Razer Vespula Stax Lambda Nova Classic Custom DIY DAC 
AudioAudioOther
300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz 8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz EVGA X99 SR?  AMD 390x 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Linux 16:10 Samsung PLS 4K monitor Corsair RGB keyboard with custom cherry MX supe... EVGA 1600 watt titanium  
CaseMouseAudio
Caselabs Magnum STH10 DIY my own mouse Snell J 3 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simca View Post

DT880s don't have enough bass to be enjoyable.

I don't agree with you. I consider the DT880 to be neutral in all regards, and that includes bass. They are not lacking at all, unless you like electronic music and truly enjoy to "feel" the beat, since I haven't tried many headphones that truly capture the feeling of the beat.

Still, I don't think you can say out loud things like that, because DT880's bass is totally fine... heck, even K70x is depending on your preferred style of music... because, in the end, what does matter is not only what we do prefer... but what we do want to hear with those, as its not the same to hear some Armin van Buuren than Beethoven, and probably a can that does one fine won't to the other justice thumb.gif

PS: and normally thats exactly how it is. DT770 have a lovely beat... but suck if you want any pinch of reality.
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k MSI P67 GD65 GTX460 1GB GTX460 1GB 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
G. Skill Ripjaws Crucial C300 Prolimatech Megahalems + 2 x GT AP15 Win 7 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2311H Noppoo Choc mini Corsair HX620 Microcool Banchetto rev. 2.0 black aluminium 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie EC1 Zowie Fiio E7 + E9 / Sennheiser HD 25 1 II 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i5 2500k MSI P67 GD65 GTX460 1GB GTX460 1GB 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
G. Skill Ripjaws Crucial C300 Prolimatech Megahalems + 2 x GT AP15 Win 7 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2311H Noppoo Choc mini Corsair HX620 Microcool Banchetto rev. 2.0 black aluminium 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie EC1 Zowie Fiio E7 + E9 / Sennheiser HD 25 1 II 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 39
Until you've tried higher end headphones with bass and the rest of the spectrum being awesome where you can truly claim it's neutral in bass, then you won't understand. You THINK the DT880s are sufficient, but they're not. They're on the lighter side bass wise.
2nd Gig
(24 items)
 
Sayonara
(20 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
  hide details  
Reply
2nd Gig
(24 items)
 
Sayonara
(20 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Asus M4A79T Deluxe NVIDIA GTX 670 FTW OCZ Platinum 4GB 1600 DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 90GB & Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Scythe MUGEN-2 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional Dell UltraSharp u2410 & Samsung 2333SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 OCZ GameXStream 700w HAF 932 Advanced Logitech G300 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Denon AVR-1912 Harman Kardon Infinity Primus P153  HIFIMAN HE-400 Vsonic GR07 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Shure SE-535 Limited Edition Beyerdynamic DT880 ODAC/Objective 2 Amplfiier Audio Technica AD700 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simca View Post

Until you've tried higher end headphones with bass and the rest of the spectrum being awesome where you can truly claim it's neutral in bass, then you won't understand. You THINK the DT880s are sufficient, but they're not. They're on the lighter side bass wise.

by about .8 - 1.5 dB as well.

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2033&graphID[]=2621&graphID[]=713&graphID[]=963

The K702 is sub bass recessed, the DT770 is noticeably 'v-shaped' / mid recessed and treble boosted.
post #30 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simca View Post

You can't EQ headphones to perfection.

If you got a headphone with insanely good soundstage properties, like the Sennheiser HD800, you can getting darn close to it via a good EQ, HRTF and room acoustics equalisation plugins.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Sound Cards and Computer Audio
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Sound Cards and Computer Audio › [Help] Searching for headphones - $300