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Hi my rig is the one in my sig...

For some reason, my cpu/nb vid defaults at 1.55V

And I think thats ridiculously high, well it also looks ridiculously high considering my cpu vid is only at 1.3 on stock.
When I look around at other FX83xx users, their cpu/nb vid doesn't even touch or go near what my cpu/nb vid is on at default.
I've been using the bios settings and set it to a negative value to bring my cpu-nb vid down to about 1.431 according to bios
But when I try to set it even lower, below 1.4, my computer won't boot

I think its affecting my overclocks causing thermal throttling and dropping voltages causing most my overclocks above 4.7 unstable...

Another thing is, my bus speed jumps up to 4 MHz, whenever load is placed on the cpu it will randomly increase 2-4MHz on the bus, is there anyway to turn this off? I have no idea whats going on with the cpu anymore... is this some m4a89gtd board feature to give cpu's about a 100mhz boost or something?

And last but not least, whenever I use multiplier to overclock, I have severe vDroop, for example when I set 24.5x multiplier, my voltage literally dropped to 1.032v during a cinebench run... and as such prime95 yet also has many errors. Otherwise the vDroop I experience on average is about 0.15v. CPU LLC is on and CPU/NB LLC is also set on...

Can somebody help me?

Thanks in advance
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Hi my rig is the one in my sig...
For some reason, my cpu/nb vid defaults at 1.55V
And I think thats ridiculously high, well it also looks ridiculously high considering my cpu vid is only at 1.3 on stock.
When I look around at other FX83xx users, their cpu/nb vid doesn't even touch or go near what my cpu/nb vid is on at default.
I've been using the bios settings and set it to a negative value to bring my cpu-nb vid down to about 1.431 according to bios
But when I try to set it even lower, below 1.4, my computer won't boot

I think its affecting my overclocks causing thermal throttling and dropping voltages causing most my overclocks above 4.7 unstable...
Another thing is, my bus speed jumps up to 4 MHz, whenever load is placed on the cpu it will randomly increase 2-4MHz on the bus, is there anyway to turn this off? I have no idea whats going on with the cpu anymore... is this some m4a89gtd board feature to give cpu's about a 100mhz boost or something?
And last but not least, whenever I use multiplier to overclock, I have severe vDroop, for example when I set 24.5x multiplier, my voltage literally dropped to 1.032v during a cinebench run... and as such prime95 yet also has many errors. Otherwise the vDroop I experience on average is about 0.15v. CPU LLC is on and CPU/NB LLC is also set on...
Can somebody help me?
Thanks in advance

Sounds like bios problem to me. Upgrade to the latest bios, and im sure nothing is wrong with the cpu, did your motherboard work just fine before? maybe its just compatibility problem between motherboard and cpu.

Also 1.3v for 8350 is kinda low, its a 4ghz cpu, get it 1.35volt and if your nb/cpu is around 2000-2200 try the voltage for it to 1.25v- max 1.3v also max safest cpu/nb voltage is 1.35v so yeah that default voltage is super high and dangerous and can fry your northbride.

BUT I dont know about how the new FX handle the voltages, Im talking on my own thoughts and spec from Thubans and Denebs. also the bus speed 2-4mhz thing is your motherboard that cant apperently handle the voltages and phases well. like my mobo give me 200.7 on my bus speed and I saw some people have the perfect 200. So its defenitly the mobo.
Edited by Denebz - 11/26/12 at 3:16am
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I have the nearly the same MoBo. As far as i know it doesn't officially support the Piledriver. People have been able to get it to work it just has "issues" maybe this is one of them. How are you finding the CPU/MoBo combo?? it say you are @4.6Ghz in your sig is that stable or just a "bench" setting?? I ask because another user had the same (nearly) combo and found over 4Ghz resulted in throttling.

Any other quirks you have noticed? Thinking of picking up a 8320 at some point and you would be helping a great deal if you could tell me of any issues i might face:thumb:.

Good luck.

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hello,
bios update would help. the voltages are way off compared to the 8120's, can get mine stable at 4ghz with 1.29v and I have set my cpu load line config to ultra high as that setting gives no v-droop underload.
my cpu-nb is only 1.225v to get 2200mhz, and I managed to clock my cpu-nb to 2500 with 1.275v, but if on auto the cpu-nb voltage go's to 1.45v
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Some Asus mobos show Turbo voltage as default voltage. Some of them shown Thuban x6 1090t voltage as 1.45v when you select auto. 1.55 cpu-nb voltage must be a fluke. Probably because mobo doesn't know how to read the value from cpu. How are the temps ?

The bus speed may vary a little, it happens on any cpu. Especially if you have various cpu speeds enabled (turbo, c'n'q, c1e)
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This just shows how dangerous it is to leave everything on auto on some motherboards, the companies has to fix this, we dont want our pc die with in 2 month because of stupid mistakes as high voltages.
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Originally Posted by Denebz View Post

Sounds like bios problem to me. Upgrade to the latest bios, and im sure nothing is wrong with the cpu, did your motherboard work just fine before? maybe its just compatibility problem between motherboard and cpu.
Also 1.3v for 8350 is kinda low, its a 4ghz cpu, get it 1.35volt and if your nb/cpu is around 2000-2200 try the voltage for it to 1.25v- max 1.3v also max safest cpu/nb voltage is 1.35v so yeah that default voltage is super high and dangerous and can fry your northbride.
BUT I dont know about how the new FX handle the voltages, Im talking on my own thoughts and spec from Thubans and Denebs. also the bus speed 2-4mhz thing is your motherboard that cant apperently handle the voltages and phases well. like my mobo give me 200.7 on my bus speed and I saw some people have the perfect 200. So its defenitly the mobo.
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hello,
bios update would help. the voltages are way off compared to the 8120's, can get mine stable at 4ghz with 1.29v and I have set my cpu load line config to ultra high as that setting gives no v-droop underload.
my cpu-nb is only 1.225v to get 2200mhz, and I managed to clock my cpu-nb to 2500 with 1.275v, but if on auto the cpu-nb voltage go's to 1.45v
Ahh, looks like I'm out of luck then cuz Asus has no intention releasing another bios for this board... frown.gif
Its just a spare board I was using running a Sempron previously lol.
Really? I'll try tweaking my NB VID a bit lower in that case. By increasing Northbridge voltage or something, I've been able to clock my CPU NB-VID to about 1.4, havent tried lower but I'm hoping I can still get further down... and higher clocks
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Some Asus mobos show Turbo voltage as default voltage. Some of them shown Thuban x6 1090t voltage as 1.45v when you select auto. 1.55 cpu-nb voltage must be a fluke. Probably because mobo doesn't know how to read the value from cpu. How are the temps ?
The bus speed may vary a little, it happens on any cpu. Especially if you have various cpu speeds enabled (turbo, c'n'q, c1e)
The temperatures are normal... my ambient is at 30 degrees so not much headroom over there lol... I can run voltages up to about 1.5 if I open the window at night and it will stay below 62... I am also hoping it is because the mobo doesn't know how to read the value. It is a 890GX afterall...
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I have the nearly the same MoBo. As far as i know it doesn't officially support the Piledriver. People have been able to get it to work it just has "issues" maybe this is one of them. How are you finding the CPU/MoBo combo?? it say you are @4.6Ghz in your sig is that stable or just a "bench" setting?? I ask because another user had the same (nearly) combo and found over 4Ghz resulted in throttling.
Any other quirks you have noticed? Thinking of picking up a 8320 at some point and you would be helping a great deal if you could tell me of any issues i might face:thumb:.
Good luck.
Thanx.
I am currently running at 4.69-4.76 GHz at 18x260-264... cuz it jumps... with 1.464-1.5v. So in a way I must deliberately clock bus speed 4mhz lower. Ram is running at 2080 11-11-11-28-2, NB 2080 and HT 2080. I've only did a small data test using OCCT for 30 minutes, cuz normally if its unstable, it doesn't take more than 5 minutes to crash my cpu... And as such I've been playing games and surfing and what not for about 8 hours and all is good as of now...

I was previously running at 4.6-4.68 at 20x230-234... but I was reading about this board and it seems it excels in bus clocking, luckily. Because there is severe vDroop whenever I attempt multiplier overclocking. There is no way past it... the bios/board is probably unstable as mentioned frown.gif. Maximum stable Multiplier clock I can get is 22 so 4.4Ghz, this may also be because of the bus speed jumping 0-4 mhz occasionally. However when I overclock by bus, my voltages stay within 0.012 range, very weird.

I'm sure if my temperatures allow, or if I'm in winter and can stretch my voltages to 1.55 I could atleast hit 4.8-4.9, maybe 5 with the 4mhz jumping lol... I've been tweaking the thing for about 12 hours now... sure takes a long while and gets hell boring cuz it keeps failing lol but atm I am pretty proud of this overclock

And thankyou everyone for your help... I guess there isnt much I can do... I will just keep trying to overclock it by bus speed
Edited by bao28 - 11/26/12 at 7:38am
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Do you have cpu-nb multiplier ? If you have, try a multiplier which would give you 2600-2800 cpu-nb speed. See if it boots or crashes under prime95. If it does not boot or crash in windows than it is indeed wrong voltage reading.
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May struggle with NB it doesnt seem to overclock well on these chips neither does it seem to give the boos as it did on the phenemons. Hard to get stable above 2200
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Im looking to do this setup in the next week as well. Using Asus M4A89GTD-PRO w/ FX-8350 What Bios do you use is it the 3027? Are you stable at 4.6G what other issues are you having I'll be liquid cooling it and have many fans to keep her cool. YOur post is whats making me consider using this vs getting the 8150... All thoughts and concerns are welcome.. I'm currently using a Phenom II 555 unlocked and overclocked to 3.6... Sure would be nice to have 8 cores @ 4ghz +
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