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Next-gen consoles are going to pack AMD hardware so more future releases are going to be optimized to run on GCN architecture. AMD's Gaming Evolved program is making major inroads with developers. AMD's drivers are improving (apart from cfx support). Oh yeah, AMD's Never Settle bundle for 7900-series cards is one of the best bundles I've ever seen.

I'm not an AMD fanboy by any means, but a more competitive AMD benefits all consumers (at least when it comes to their graphics divison).
    
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I've noticed more gamers from either camp between last year and this year really don't care who had or has the slight edge because GPU's have been able to keep up gaming demands and performance relatively close both years. Gamers have been more satisfied than ever before with their cards despite criticisms because both camps turned out cards that are more than capable.

It's been a long while from games like Crysis where it actually brought a GPU to it's knees. We were originally worried about BF3 prior to it's release and found if you were prepared for Crysis you still more than prepared for current games.

So even though the tables have turned, not as many gamers put much weight into 'who's better' because their GPU's aren't holding them back from having fun, just like last year. smile.gif
     
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I don't really foresee a NEED to replace these 7970's this next generation. Have a feeling they will handle any game that comes out over the next year or two. Now whether or not I can actually skip a generation is an entirely different question.
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Its funny how people praise GTX680 for lower power consumption when in reality its use 4% less then HD 7970. People these days.
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Its funny how people praise GTX680 for lower power consumption when in reality its use 4% less then HD 7970. People these days.

This is true. What's even more interesting is once you get down to the lower part of the kepler and GCN lineup, GCN begins to edge out Kepler on power efficiency.

In other words, AMD and Nvidia are in a dead heat for power efficiency and performance this round. I doubt we will see another generation any time soon where they are so closely matched.


EDIT:







The 7870 slots right in between the 660 and 660 Ti for power consumption. However, the 7870 is on par with the 660 Ti in a lot of cases and clearly faster than the 660 in most cases (excluding titles like BF3). That's a pretty big win for GCN.


Disclaimer: Those graphs are before the newest crop of drivers, so don't use that review as and end-all be-all for information. Most of it is out of date now.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 11/27/12 at 11:38am
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This is true. What's even more interesting is once you get down to the lower part of the kepler and GCN lineup, GCN begins to edge out Kepler on power efficiency.
In other words, AMD and Nvidia are in a dead heat for power efficiency and performance this round. I doubt we will see another generation any time soon where they are so closely matched.
EDIT:

The 7870 slots right in between the 660 and 660 Ti for power consumption. However, the 7870 is on par with the 660 Ti in a lot of cases and clearly faster than the 660 in most cases (excluding titles like BF3). That's a pretty big win for GCN.
Disclaimer: Those graphs are before the newest crop of drivers, so don't use that review as and end-all be-all for information. Most of it is out of date now.

I tend to think of both of them in a dead lock this time around, pretty even across the board. The next gen will tell you who can optimize more and squeeze out performance while reducing consumption. I'm betting on Nvidia, not because I'm a fan but because they have been in the GPU wars far longer than AMD. Though in the long run I think AMD has a much better idea, APU, which will hopefully give them a nice pretty penny in the end. Even if they go the route of Intel and drop sockets, those APUs are killer. Reduce the size and speeds (1.5GHz Dual, all I ask) and they could do some really nice embedded stuff.

That's how I see it.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162097 For $429 AR or $449 right now.
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Overall, though, a pretty good review and I agree with their picks, except I think the 7970 is the clear winner if what you care about is raw frames cranked out and don't bother with PhysX, CUDA, or fan noise, heat, and power consumption.

Haha.... someones a little raw aren't they smile.gif
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This is true. What's even more interesting is once you get down to the lower part of the kepler and GCN lineup, GCN begins to edge out Kepler on power efficiency.
In other words, AMD and Nvidia are in a dead heat for power efficiency and performance this round. I doubt we will see another generation any time soon where they are so closely matched.
EDIT:


The 7870 slots right in between the 660 and 660 Ti for power consumption. However, the 7870 is on par with the 660 Ti in a lot of cases and clearly faster than the 660 in most cases (excluding titles like BF3). That's a pretty big win for GCN.
Disclaimer: Those graphs are before the newest crop of drivers, so don't use that review as and end-all be-all for information. Most of it is out of date now.

Most reviews show that Cape Verde and Pitcarin chips match or beat their Kepler counterparts in power consumption, most NV users are just fixated on the difference between GK104 vs Tahiti XT.
Edited by sherlock - 11/27/12 at 1:32pm
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Most reviews show that Cape Verde and Pitcarin chips match or beat their Kepler count parts in power consumption, most NV users are just fixated on the power difference GK104 vs Tahiti XT.

Which are ironically the chips in which power consumption matters the least to the target market.
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I'm on a Core i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz right now, was on an FX-4170 @ 4.5 before..no difference without fraps running and I play CPU limited games, most are going to be well above 60fps or GPU limited for the vast majority of the time you use the CPU, there is a difference when you compare fraps numbers with vsync off but you really can't tell and nearly no-one who games will still use an IvB or BD/PD when you can, but this is off topic, so we should stay on topic.
Things change at 120Hz, switch from my 3.9ghz phenom to my stock i5 was day and night in games.

When 120fps is the goal you can't afford bottlenecks. I want AMD to succed here, i want them to be competitive with intel like they are with Nvida which is the only reason i criticize them.

I was clearly talking about 60Hz screens.
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And AMD is indeed better than nVIDIA, there's no tradeoffs in getting an AMD card besides the 40-50W higher power consumption.

For the most part, yes. Not in all cases though. Especially for open source. Generally on linux the nvidia binary drivers are better overall and work better with WINE, not to mention the fact that there is no radeon driver for BSD where there is for nvidia. That is the whole reason I am looking to get rid of my 7950 for a 660 ti/670. Even though I know the 7950 is better overall, I don't use Windows and I like to use BSD/linux.

I'm going to go on a limb here (The only AMD card I run in Linux is stuck on 12.6) and point out that AMDs Linux driver quality has gone way up, nVidia's was slipping but did go up again recently..It's closer than it used to be and I can tell it's going to be the same story as it still is on Windows where even when AMD has equal or better drivers to nVidia, they'll still have people saying how bad their drivers are.
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I literally just switched from 680s to 7970s, nvidia drivers IMO are just flatout better, I also think the nvidia control panel is better as well, but my 7970s are faster
How? Have you had a driver issue?
Also, see sig if microstutter is an issue.
Massive microstutter, bsods, horrid desktop flashing, etc, it's all good now, but nvidias drivers are definitely more set it forget it

Check your overclocks, I've never ever gotten any of that with a stable AMD GPU set up even when AMDs drivers were actually bad. (During the Radeon 8000 series when they were still ATI or the first Vista drivers)

They're definitely not, last time I went to nVidia's latest drivers I did precisely that and started getting BSODs because the driver would crash more than 5 times in a minute so Windows shut itself down, that was at stock on a perfectly stable card. (Went back to 296, no major issues)
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Can't see the list at work, but how does steam count the new APUs?

I think it comes under "Other", I can't see any APU models on the list. I could be missing them, although I can't imagine what else "Other" would include.

People who haven't installed their drivers properly.
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I wonder if anyone saying AMD hasn't had recent driver issues had played Skyrim on xfire cards anytime in the first 6 months of release.

That's not bugs and the like, plus, having multiple cards really is a niche, I can't speak for everyone but I'm just speaking about people who act like the GSOD was anything worse than nVidia's faulty fan profile in one series of drivers.
    
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