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ohno-smiley02.gif And those benches don't even factor in overclocking?
Really impressed with AMD this gen. If I were in the market for an upgrade I'd def be going red this time around.
Their driver performance creep was really strong last gen too, but these are some amazing performance gains. If they could've launched with this kind of performance NVidia would be reeling.

It's just a shame that AMD CPU's aren't as closely competitive. They always gets their GPU's right though....
 
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I give it to AMD too for performance but I dont know about this generation of drivers. I will not buy an AMD card until they get their driver support on par with Nvidias..

Where have you been living the last 3 years?

AMD's driver support is on par if not better than nVIDIA's. Since the HD4890 release, to be precise. And the HD6 and HD7 series support is basically flawless.

And their drivers have yet to kill a card thumb.gif



To all: BOW TO THE MIGHTY RED TIDE!! wheee.gif

Now if their performance processors were remotely as good ._.
   
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Article needs an overclocking page. The headroom for overclocking and how well GCN reacts to higher frequencies are what solidifies it's performance lead. Stock AMD cards versus Kepler boosted cards paints the wrong picture.
Stock, I'd say the high end cards are on an even playing field.

When you factor in price, they are not even wink.gif And as you said, trading blows at stock but GCN likes to OC a bit more it seems. If AMD got noise and power usage down, they would be gods. (Not that its bad, but higher efficiency and lower noise is always great biggrin.gif )

GCN OCs a tiny bit higher and also gains more from OCing, it was in the lead from the start when you factor in OCing.
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I don't think GK110 is really that much faster than GK104, and will likely be fairly equal with HD8k because of the current gap between GK104 and Tahiti.
And yeah, nVidia definitely hit problems with GK100, their big die strategy is really hitting them hard now.
Definitely, I was surprised how much faster a HD7850 is than my GTX 470, I expected a slight difference but not what it is.
Most likely because GCN is a new architecture, both AMD and nVidia get a few drivers like this when they overhaul their GPUs and GCN was quite a big one compared to most previous ones, AMD will have been looking at telemetry data to see what is limiting GCN and adjusting drivers accordingly.

GK110 would be both significantly faster than GK104, and put up a good match against HD8k. GK104 is largely memory constrained, evidenced in these tests: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/18 . It's been the strategy across the board for Nvidia this go around: reduced Memory width compensated with increased core clock to reduce overall cost (wider memory bandwidth is a great way to increase raw cost, as well as engineering complexity to effectively route all the extra traces, energy, etc). So 33% more shader cores with improved memory bandwidth would definitely put it comfortably in next-gen performance territory.

They're pretty solidly matched, with AMD pulling out a win, but I don't think Nvidia's terribly worried considering the margin's their making. This gen's design on the green time is very efficient and effective (just compare die sizes). If they were honestly sweating bullets I think they'd just launch a 512bit GGDR5 enabled GTX680 or some such. However, that's probably pretty much the plan for GTX700: Memory and compute refinements.

Either way, it's good for us. Hope next gen is this close.

Nah, I can't really remember where I was reading it but the main limitation of Kepler was the one thing nVidia really didn't improve much on GK110, I honestly could see it matching the HD7970 Ghz edition (Keep in mind it'd have to clock lower due to being so massive) post 12.11 driver update but at best it wouldn't be too far above it, the big difference would be that all the GPU folders would run a GTX 680, Kepler is actually ROP limited and while GK110 has 16 more ROPs than GK104 they're also clocked a lot lower, so while GK104 has a GPixels/s of 32, GK110 only has 43, while GK110 would put up somewhat of a match against HD8k, it'd end up the same with AMD pulling ahead..Except this time they have the smaller, cooler running GPU.
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Had my very first fail experience with AMD drivers few days ago. Tried installing 12.11beta8. NO GO. BSOD on bootup stating atikmpag.sys (or something along those lines, no dump file written to disk). System would reboot on windows graphics driver. Re-installed 3 times wiping all driver files in safe mode every time. Even re-downloaded the entire driver package. NO GO.

Downloaded 12.10 and it installed no problem. So I don't know why 12.11beta8 hates me so much.

Check your memory OC on both the cards and your actual RAM as well as timings, I only got GSODs when I had an unstable memory OC on either.
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You're missing the fact that the 680 self-overclocks and is voltage-locked meaning you can expect the same sort of numbers from nearly every 680.

Well I can't really argue with you. At the resolution I play the 7970 GHZ doesn't beat my 680 by enough to feel like I lost out on anything.

Some games it's so dead even it doesn't matter. Some you can tell which cards drivers are better optimized. Whether you went Nvidia or AMD I don't think you're really missing out on a whole lot.

Anyone would be happy with either card, you won't notice the difference between either in the real world.
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AMD vs Intel is soo sad it's not even funny

Only for gaming, and even then the actual perceivable difference when you're not ******* over fraps numbers is close to zero..but lets not get into that.
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ohno-smiley02.gif And those benches don't even factor in overclocking?

Really impressed with AMD this gen. If I were in the market for an upgrade I'd def be going red this time around.

Their driver performance creep was really strong last gen too, but these are some amazing performance gains. If they could've launched with this kind of performance NVidia would be reeling.

It'd just go further towards AMD as they gain more from OCing, Kepler auto-OCs to 1128Mhz at least.
    
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In gaming the gains you get from intel CPU's are significant. Besides when you spend afew hundred dollars on a card you want every frame it can give you and the last thing you want is a CPU holding it back.
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In gaming the gains you get from intel CPU's are significant. Besides when you spend afew hundred dollars on a card you want every frame it can give you and the last thing you want is a CPU holding it back.

I'm on a Core i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz right now, was on an FX-4170 @ 4.5 before..no difference without fraps running and I play CPU limited games, most are going to be well above 60fps or GPU limited for the vast majority of the time you use the CPU, there is a difference when you compare fraps numbers with vsync off but you really can't tell and nearly no-one who games will still use an IvB or BD/PD when you can, but this is off topic, so we should stay on topic.
    
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In gaming the gains you get from intel CPU's are significant. Besides when you spend afew hundred dollars on a card you want every frame it can give you and the last thing you want is a CPU holding it back.

Thanks for pointing the already known and obvious information, but this article was about GPU performance smile.gif
   
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The Nvidia prices are insane.

They did the same with the 580 when the 7970 dropped, and since the 7970 was the equivalent of the Bruce Lee in the GPU arena at the time AMD had to have a high price to make up for the fact it was faster than the 580 and that nVidia are self entitled muppets and didn't drop the price of the 580 even though it was inferior.

nVidia = Premium pricing This isn't a new fact, I just wish we had contenders like 3dfx, S3 and Matrox still in the consumer market...
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I'm on a Core i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz right now, was on an FX-4170 @ 4.5 before..no difference without fraps running and I play CPU limited games, most are going to be well above 60fps or GPU limited for the vast majority of the time you use the CPU, there is a difference when you compare fraps numbers with vsync off but you really can't tell and nearly no-one who games will still use an IvB or BD/PD when you can, but this is off topic, so we should stay on topic.
Things change at 120Hz, switch from my 3.9ghz phenom to my stock i5 was day and night in games.

When 120fps is the goal you can't afford bottlenecks. I want AMD to succed here, i want them to be competitive with intel like they are with Nvida which is the only reason i criticize them.
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I'm interested where amd and nvidia will go from here. I know there are people on this forum that will buy more performance even if they don't need it including myself. There are also those of you with 30" panels and multi display setups that can use more gpu. What about the people who don't fold and run 1080 monitors? After 60 frames plus I would like to be able to crank up the shines some more. What I mean is can we burn some energy on graphical polish, or is that not possible from a gpu manufacturer and needs to happen on the game developers end.

Anyway out of the last 8 cards I've owned I haven't had any issues except my 550 crashed frequently in Skyrim when it first came out. Everything else could be traced back to something I did. That list of cards is split nvidia and amd 50/50.
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i just love my gtx 670
    
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