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I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but Musk's a little late to the party:
http://mars-one.com/en/

These people are a lot farther ahead...
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Originally Posted by crazyap7 View Post

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but Musk's a little late to the party:
http://mars-one.com/en/
These people are a lot farther ahead...

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am i the only one that just knows this will blow up in everyone's face?
 
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am i the only one that just knows this will blow up in everyone's face?

I don't see it like that at all. I'm more worried that it will build interest then fizzle out before it gets off the launchpad. But if we actually get people in a spacecraft on the way to mars, what exciting times indeed. Ample opportunity to test agriculture methods. human observation of climate and what really happens, new fuel sources based on what's found over there? My mind reels
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Not in his or any of our lifetimes. We'll hopefully be around for a manned mission, but the jump from manned mission to sustainable colony is one that we wouldn't be able to do with the moon, let alone mars.
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I don't see it like that at all. I'm more worried that it will build interest then fizzle out before it gets off the launchpad. But if we actually get people in a spacecraft on the way to mars, what exciting times indeed. Ample opportunity to test agriculture methods. human observation of climate and what really happens, new fuel sources based on what's found over there? My mind reels

the idea of finding more fuel and more fuel is what keeps us from innovating
what innovations are there when we just think about burning more gas and consuming more power
fuel will always run out

im more worried about those crafts falling out of the sky regardless
 
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Just plain dumb. at minimum its over-enthusiastic

It takes 8.5 months just to get there. ~300 million miles
How are they supposed to carry the food for 8.5 months in a damn capsule
(13 tons of water 200 grocery carts of food and 6000 scuba tanks)
You'd need a vehicle so large it'd have to be assembled in space over years - and once assembled,
its engine has to accelerate it by 9000 mph to get out of orbit to go to mars (insert tons of propellant & $)

To assemble one that large in space would take 27 space shuttle flights and 4 Soyuz trips--just for the PARTS
(add crew rotations and their food, water, oxygen, spares)
To get a fully assembled craft that large into LEO would need a rocket weighing as much as an aircraft carrier
-- 85,000 ton rocket? compared to the 3,350 tons of the Apollo rocket

Mars orbits the sun so much more slowly then Earth
that you could only send vehicles thru the transfer orbit once every 26 months

If you wanted to get BACK to Earth after reaching Mars,
you'd have to wait on Mars for about 15 months to get back to the right orbit orientation for a return trip--32 months round trip
Dealing with just 6 months of near-weightlessness in LEO degrades eyesight
from high fluid pressure in the eyeball and has given people irreversible eyesight damage

Oh yeah, and pray that nothing breaks on the way, and your plants on Mars don't die from unforeseen chemical problems :-)

No thanks, have fun getting radiated, losing bone mass and muscles,
and starving because a single dust storm killed your crops,

I'll play sc2 and wait for the first hyperdrive to go to a new planet
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Just plain dumb. [....]
Good point. Let's just give up.
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Good point. Let's just give up.

We shouldn't ever just give up on space stuff,
its just that people want immediate gratification to just go for the glitzy colonization and flag planting stuff like children,
while neglecting the +100 years of research and testing to accommodate the technology we need to accomplish it without killing everyone

I'm sure we will be able to send 80,000 people to Mars eventually... but in <20 years? thats a joke
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None of us will live to see the day when Mars is colonized.

If we had proceeded to go to Mars immediately after going to the moon in 1969, developed the necessary technologies for a trip on that scale, and then kept on pushing space exploration aggressively after getting there (sometime in the early to mid-1980s, I would guess), then by now, we'd probably be getting about to the point where long-term human habitation of Mars would be possible.

Unfortunately, there's about 43 years of research and development that could have already been done, and hasn't ever been done. The only way we could get there now with large numbers of people on a reasonable timescale would be to build a fleet of Orion ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29), using a thermonuclear pulse propulsion system. We've been capable of building those ever since the 1960s, but politics has always gotten in the way, and it's probably not ever going to happen.
     
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