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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

It's short for SATA revision 3. Does it really matter?

Actually, it does..... because SATA3 may be refering to SATA 3Gbps or SATA Third generation which is capable 6Gbps.

http://www.sata-io.org/developers/naming_guidelines.asp


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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Well, that's still lower that the 600MB/s capability that SATA3 currently has. "It runs with a native transfer rate of 6.0 Gbit/s, and taking 8b/10b encoding into account, the maximum uncoded transfer rate is 4.8 Gbit/s (600 MB/s)."
I'm not saying that next year an SSD might be developed that will break that barrier, but by that time, it will be closer to the next standard, and in all honesty, aside from bench marking, no one will really notice a difference in using an as yet unreleased SSD drive on a "bandwidth limited" SATA3 connection.
And as was mentioned before, I just used the term SATA3 to mean 3rd generation SATA.

SSD controllers where hitting 500MB/s+ last year. They were doing 300MB/s+ the year before. Companies today can tweak a controller today to surpass 600MB/s (but at the cost of other performance parameters).

In addition, today's comman NAND are either ONFI 2.x (200M transfers/sec) or Toggle 1 (133M transfers/sec). ONFI 3.0 and Toggle 2 NAND are already sampling and are capable of 400M transfers/sec. In addition, I believe some companies are considering larger page sizes as well which would increase sequential performance.

In fact, Western Digital will have a SAS-12Gb/s SSD in 2013: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/05/02/hgst-sas-12gbps-ssd/1

SSDs will be breaking the SATA 6Gbps limit next year. Since SAS-12Gb/s is an enterprise standard.... SATA-IO has been pushing to complete the SATA Express spec.

Actually, enterprise do notice crave more throughput.

As I and SATA-IO stated... there is no SATA3 because that term is ambiguous.
Edited by DuckieHo - 11/27/12 at 2:26pm
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Note, there is no such stanard as SATA 1, 2, 3, 4... It's SATA 1.5Gbps, 3Gbps, 6Gbps, Express.

This isn't quite true.

There are numbered revisions of the SATA specification and sometimes multiple revisions in the same speed rating.

For example SATA 1.5Gbps includes 1.0 and 1.0a. The former does not support NCQ, the latter does.

Revision 3.1 is the newest standard.
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It's short for SATA revision 3. Does it really matter?

Yes, it matters.
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I don't see mainstream user's and even hardcore gamer's needing more than what SATA 6Gbps has to offer! It's nice though that technology will advance for those user's that could benefit from SATA Express.
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well loading something like total war shogun 2 with my current build still takes 10minuites
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well loading something like total war shogun 2 with my current build still takes 10minuites
Get an SSD.
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read my build before u say that
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Get an SSD.
its saved on a OCZ Vertex 3 128Gb SSD
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well loading something like total war shogun 2 with my current build still takes 10minuites

Loading games is a mix of random reads, sequential reads, and CPU calculations.

It's most likely not an issue with your SSD but how the developers packaged the files of the game.

Think about it.... Your Vertex 3 can do 35MB/s random and 220MB/s sequential reads. If it takes 10 mins to load the game and it was entirely the storage's fault..... that would mean the SSD loaded 20GB into memory...... doesn't work like that.


To really understand why it's taking so long, you have to monitor disk/CPU/memory usage during loads.


THG did an analysis so you can do the same if you care: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-gaming-performance,2991-3.html
Edited by DuckieHo - 11/29/12 at 7:59am
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when in a full screen game on a loading screen how do you monitor these
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its saved on a OCZ Vertex 3 128Gb SSD
It's not a throughput issue either way.

You probably have something in the background using your hard drive a lot, or there's something wrong with your SSD.
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