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The data in the article mentioned that it was 1.01%, which right now if you check is at 1.32%, so it hasn't shown signs of stagnation but steady growth. Conclusive data can only come when that data has been stagnated.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=W

And while the article does mention the fact that there are more PCs in the market currently, which meant more dilution of the market, there was a longer period of time between XP and 7 than between 7 and 8, which means that there was almost double the amount of people that were searching for computers when 7 launched, not to mention that at the time when 7 launched, there was a substantial gap between software and hardware that made people need to upgrade, unlike currently where any computer bought in the last 3-4 years has no problem with today's casual workloads.

True, but the fact that you needed to give a second explanation gives away that the first one really isn't valid; nobody is expecting stagnation to draw conclusions, new computers will always be bought, so a degree of improvement in the marketshare is to be expected, how much over a given period is what matters. Let's not forget that, even though Windows Vista was considered a market failure, it still sold around 400 million copies. 400 million.

All you say in the second paragraph is true, but being considered by Microsoft as a great OS, with great cross-platform abilities, and, most important of all, having a reduced upgrade price compared to Windows 7 - they are selling upgrades to Windows 8 Pro for $10 less than they were selling upgrades to the Windows 7 Home Premium, not to mention how many copies they sold through their hypocrisy of allowing people to enter false data in order to be able to get it for $15, and even then the results are in plain sight. The decline in PC sales, reported by many brands, including Asus, Acer and Toshiba since the launch of Windows 8 is not a coincidence. You can't explain that with people suddenly not needing upgrading or needing computers, people are actually avoiding Windows 8 machines. Yes, the economic climate gives people the perfect excuse for doing so, but a considerable decline from one month to the other can't be explained by economic factors alone.
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Wait, are you accusing me of something ? Like, say, expressing my opinion freely, like the one I have posted in my signature for anybody to read ?

lol.

You admitting to posting an on-going slew of negative and/or negative rumour based articles as a way of expressing your opinion is exactly what I was alluding to yes.

You've basically admitted that the balance of news you post regarding W8 is not going to be objective at all and that you'd like nothing more than to fill the news section with negativity regarding W8.

I noticed the obvious imbalance a while ago, which is why I've taken it upon myself to post some positives when I can.

Oh and please don't mix my posting generally informative (aka neutral) articles with your attempt to express your opinion via only posting negatively charged rumour/(barely) news articles.
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The decline in PC sales, reported by many brands, including Asus, Acer and Toshiba since the launch of Windows 8 is not a coincidence. You can't explain that with people suddenly not needing upgrading or needing computers, people are actually avoiding Windows 8 machines.

1.
Do you have a source?

2.
Except that you can't even BUY most Windows 8 products in many markets in the world right now, so that's quite a stretchy, unfounded, obviously driven by your bias against Windows 8 kind of statement.

In the UK alone, we are missing access to:

-Lenovo Yoga 13?

-ASUS Transformer Book?

-Surface Pro?

-Acer ICONIA w700?

-Acer ICONIA w510?

-Samsing ATIV Smart PC/Pro?

-ASUS Taichi?

-Dell XPS 10?

-ASUS VIVOtab Smart?

-ACER S7?

-Dell XPS 12 Duo?

-HP Envy X2?

Basically almost all the Windows 8 hardware that is being marketed as the "next best thing", is not even available for purchase. That could easily create "waiting game" syndrome (like it has for me for the past few months). Maybe someone needs to tell your contacts at Acer/ASUS that people can't buy things that don't exist.

So are people in the UK (among many other markets) "avoiding Windows 8 computers", or are they waiting till they can actually purchase some?

Who knows, this article gives unsubstantial info, your outlook regarding it is just your confirmed unobjective opinion that you'd like to be fact ("people are avoiding Windows 8 computers" in terms of sales, is not a fact) so its kind of pointless in the end.
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http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=W

windows 8 has captured 1.24% of the marketplace, just below linux's 1.4%.

it also tracks who's using the touch mode (windows 8 touch and windows rt touch)

- there are more people using windows 2000 or WINDOWS NT than are using windows 8 touch

- there are more people using WINDOWS 98 than windows rt

- windows rt is slightly ahead of windows me, they're both pegged at 0%

the numbers shift slightly, but only just barely if you filter results to U.S. only

the U.S. has a 14.83% market share according to the site, which means just shy of 24 million users. of those, 1.37% were running windows 8, which translates to 325,000 Americans using windows 8.

windows rt has 0.01% in the U.S., which translates to 2,373 windows rt users for the week of November 11th, rounding up. Microsoft has 56,654 U.S. employees, so at least 23 out of every 24 ms employees doesn't have or use one.
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http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=W
windows 8 has captured 1.24% of the marketplace, just below linux's 1.4%.
it also tracks who's using the touch mode (windows 8 touch and windows rt touch)
- there are more people using windows 2000 or WINDOWS NT than are using windows 8 touch
- there are more people using WINDOWS 98 than windows rt
- windows rt is slightly ahead of windows me, they're both pegged at 0%
the numbers shift slightly, but only just barely if you filter results to U.S. only
the U.S. has a 14.83% market share according to the site, which means just shy of 24 million users. of those, 1.37% were running windows 8, which translates to 325,000 Americans using windows 8.
windows rt has 0.01% in the U.S., which translates to 2,373 windows rt users for the week of November 11th, rounding up. Microsoft has 56,654 U.S. employees, so at least 23 out of every 24 ms employees doesn't have or use one.

OUCH!
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This report lists the market share of the top operating systems in use for browsing (not servers). This data is derived by aggregating the traffic across our network of websites that use our service.

So they have no data on people who do not visit websites that use their service.

How many websites use their service? thinking.gif

How many websites don't use their service? thinking.gif

Wiki on your source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
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Web clients

The following information on web clients is obtained from the user agent information supplied to web servers by web browsers. These figures are inaccurate for a variety of reasons. For a discussion on the shortcomings see Usage share of web browsers.

The most recent data from various sources published during the last six months is summarized in the table below. All of these sources monitor a substantial number of web sites; statistics related to one web site only are excluded.

Going to said discussion on those shortcomings give:
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Accuracy

Measuring browser usage in the number of requests (page hits) made by each user agent can be misleading.

[edit] Overestimation

Not all requests are generated by a user, as a user agent can make requests at regular time intervals without user input. In this case, the user's activity might be overestimated. Some examples:
Certain anti-virus products fake their user-agent to appear to be popular browsers. This is done to trick attack sites that might display clean content to the scanner, but not to the browser. The Register reported in June 2008 that traffic from AVG Linkscanner, using an IE6 user-agent, outstripped human link clicks by nearly 10 to 1.[2]
A user who revisits a site shortly after changing or upgrading browsers may be double-counted under some methods; overall numbers at the time of a new version's release may be skewed.[3]
Occasionally websites are written in such a way that they effectively block certain browsers. One common reason for this is that the website has been tested to work with only a limited number of browsers, and so the site owners enforce that only tested browsers are allowed to view the content, while all other browsers are sent a 'failure' message, and instruction to use another browser.[4] Many of the untested browsers may still be otherwise capable of serving the content. Sophisticated users who are aware of this may then 'spoof' the user-agent in order to gain access to the site.
Some browsers (including Google Chrome) fetch resources before they need to render them, so that the resources can be used faster if they are needed. This technique, prerendering or pre-loading, may inflate the statistics for the browsers using it due to pre-loading of resources which are not used in the end.[5]

[edit] Underestimation

It is also possible to underestimate the usage share by using the number of requests, for example:
Opera and Gecko-based browsers since Firefox 1.5 use fast Document Object Model (DOM) caching. JavaScript is only executed on pageload from net or disk cache, but not if it is loaded from DOM cache. This can have an impact on JavaScript-based tracking of browser statistics.[6]
While most browsers generate additional page hits by refreshing web pages when the user navigates back through page history, some browsers (such as Opera) reuse cached content without resending requests to the server.[7][8]
Generally, the more faithfully a browser implements HTTP's cache specifications, the more it will be under-reported relative to browsers that implement those specifications poorly.[8]
Some ISPs, mainly mobile network operators, have begun stripping the user agent strings.[9]
Browser users may run site, cookie and JavaScript blockers which cause those users to be under-counted. For example, common AdBlock blocklists such as EasyBlock include sites such as StatCounter in their privacy lists, and NoScript blocks all JavaScript by default. addons.mozilla.org reports 15.0 million users of AdBlock variants and 2.2 million users of NoScript.
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Wait, are you accusing me of something ? Like, say, expressing my opinion freely, like the one I have posted in my signature for anybody to read ?

lol.

You admitting to posting an on-going slew of negative and/or negative rumour based articles as a way of expressing your opinion is exactly what I was alluding to yes.

You've basically admitted that the balance of news you post regarding W8 is not going to be objective at all and that you'd like nothing more than to fill the news section with negativity regarding W8.

I noticed the obvious imbalance a while ago, which is why I've taken it upon myself to post some positives when I can.

Oh and please don't mix my posting generally informative (aka neutral) articles with your attempt to express your opinion via only posting negatively charged rumour/(barely) news articles.
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The decline in PC sales, reported by many brands, including Asus, Acer and Toshiba since the launch of Windows 8 is not a coincidence. You can't explain that with people suddenly not needing upgrading or needing computers, people are actually avoiding Windows 8 machines.

1.
Do you have a source?

2.
Except that you can't even BUY most Windows 8 products in many markets in the world right now, so that's quite a stretchy, unfounded, obviously driven by your bias against Windows 8 kind of statement.

In the UK alone, we are missing access to:

-Lenovo Yoga 13?

-ASUS Transformer Book?

-Surface Pro?

-Acer ICONIA w700?

-Acer ICONIA w510?

-Samsing ATIV Smart PC/Pro?

-ASUS Taichi?

-Dell XPS 10?

-ASUS VIVOtab Smart?

-ACER S7?

-Dell XPS 12 Duo?

-HP Envy X2?

Basically almost all the Windows 8 hardware that is being marketed as the "next best thing", is not even available for purchase. That could easily create "waiting game" syndrome (like it has for me for the past few months). Maybe someone needs to tell your contacts at Acer/ASUS that people can't buy things that don't exist.

So are people in the UK (among many other markets) "avoiding Windows 8 computers", or are they waiting till they can actually purchase some?

Who knows, this article gives unsubstantial info, your outlook regarding it is just your confirmed unobjective opinion that you'd like to be fact ("people are avoiding Windows 8 computers" in terms of sales, is not a fact) so its kind of pointless in the end.

Lol.

I have no problem admitting that I do not like Windows 8 as it is. I don't have a duty to post a balance between positive and negative Windows 8 news, I'm not a professional journalist presenting the news. I am a person with an opinion, and I obviously pick the news that point towards all the faults I have been pointing at Windows 8 / RT, while still searching for the most reliable data that one can have as of this moment.

And even though I have my own opinions, I have no problem admitting when a company is succeeding, no matter if I think they deserve it or not. So, if Windows 8 is a big success in 2013 due to all the yet unavailable / unreleased tablets, I'll have no problem admitting to facts.

In case you didn't notice, I even wrote an article on a feature of Windows 8 that some people who don't like the File Explorer ribbon might find useful. But of course I'm not going to write another dozen of articles about good features so that you or others think that I have filled my quota in order to be able to be called impartial, I have no such obligation, it would be utterly ridiculous to pretend people had that obligation.

I have given many conceptual reasons that translate into many usability reasons that I have also extensively laid out in many posts, heck I've been using and talking about Windows 8 for more than a year, since the Developer Preview, in a thread that for months was scarcely visited by many people here.

Now what is funny is that you admit "I've taken it upon myself to post some positives when I can.", and then claim to also post some informative ones. It seems like you have taken it upon yourself to appear impartial, when your posts in the threads about Windows 8 are anything but.

Not to mention that it is impossible to detach your personal bias when you post positive news from your posts in Windows 8 news thread. Let's analyse them, shall we ?
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[Ars] Windows 8 sales are good, if not great, at 40 million copies in the first month.

Obviously doesn't tell the whole story. The 40 million sales is the only objective thing in the news. To really know how they are performing, they should have answered this, and they should have also disclosed how many upgrade copies of Windows 8 Pro they sold through that hypocritical system of letting people enter false data in order to be able to only pay $15 for it. Web stats on the other hand reveal that the number of people using Windows 8 versus people using Windows 7 at the same point in time after release is an objective figure that reveals that a lot of people who bought Windows 8, either downgraded to Windows 7 or they are just keeping their fraudulently acquired $15 copy of Windows 8 Pro + free Media Center pack to eventually install later. The objective fact is that the number of sales Microsoft claims doesn't translate into success at all, so calling it "good" may actually be more subjective than even the author of the article thinks it is, and doesn't add up with the percentage of people using Windows 8, not even if you discount the fact that there are now more computers on the market than when Windows 7 was released, there would have to be twice as many computers for the numbers to add up, and there surely aren't twice as many computers versus three years ago, as you know.
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Videos of gaming on the Acer ICONIA W700
(It's a Windows 8 tablet)

How is this being objective, this is just your subjective taste in a specific tablet.
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[ars]Windows 8, the post-PC world, and Linux: Microsoft will prevail

"Microsoft will prevail". There goes your objectivity. So this must be one of the positive ones to counter mine and also to counter your informative ones. Maybe you should post more of the informative ones next time, after all you're balancing mine and yours. rolleyes.gif
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13 minute (russian) video of the Acer Iconia W700
(Again, same Windows 8 tablet as above)

Again, same thing as above.
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[Gizmodo] You're being lied to: Windows 8 isn't bad for gaming

Subjective. It may not be technically bad for gaming, but the inclusion of their own store, built into the main UI that you can't bypass completely, is a potential deterrent to giving everybody a level playing field when it comes to equal visibility.


All your other articles I listed in the other post are also indicative that you obviously have an interest in Windows 8 and RT and Windows 8 related technologies, so much so that you seem to post a lot of them. That is in itself a form of being subjective. You can't claim being objective when you post so many threads about Windows 8 and RT and Windows 8 related products.

Not to mention that, while saying that you just counter post threads to put objectivity back in the spotlight, you are obviously trying to conceal your positive opinions on the subject. How many posts of yours do I have to quote to make your opinion clear ? I make my opinion clear in every thread, as you do, just because I post more news that report Windows 8 and its sales in a negative light and you only comment on them to say otherwise instead of also posting them, doesn't make you any less subjective than me.


As to the second part of your post:


1. Yes, I have a source, it's quoted in my post you were replying to.
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"Demand for Windows 8 is not that good right now," David Chang, chief financial officer for Asus, told The Wall Street Journal. Acer executives "were uncertain how Windows 8 would be received by consumers."

"The expectations of what we forecasted for - I don't want to say we're right on track - we're probably close to being on track to where we predicted," Sony VAIO product manager Dave McFarland told Wired. "If I had to compare Windows Vista to Windows 7 versus Windows 7 to Windows 8, our sales numbers aren't as high as from the Vista to Windows 7 era."

Jeff Barney, vice president and general manager of Toshiba America's PC and TV business, stressed that the time when "Windows was the only game in town" is over. That said, he noted that initial sales of Windows 8 products were in line with Toshiba's expectations, but stated that Microsoft probably has greater projections for its platform.

2.
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Except that you can't even BUY most Windows 8 products in many markets in the world right now, so that's quite a stretchy, unfounded, obviously driven by your bias against Windows 8 kind of statement.
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Basically almost all the Windows 8 hardware that is being marketed as the "next best thing", is not even available for purchase. That could easily create "waiting game" syndrome (like it has for me for the past few months). Maybe someone needs to tell your contacts at Acer/ASUS that people can't buy things that don't exist.

So are people in the UK (among many other markets) "avoiding Windows 8 computers", or are they waiting till they can actually purchase some?

Who knows, this article gives unsubstantial info, your outlook regarding it is just your confirmed unobjective opinion that you'd like to be fact ("people are avoiding Windows 8 computers" in terms of sales, is not a fact) so its kind of pointless in the end.

There is only one problem with your subjectivity - yes, your reasoning, even though you might not be aware of it, is subjective, because you are assuming that people have not formed any opinion on Windows 8 and are waiting for tablets in order to start buying them in hordes, and that is that this implies that Windows 8 was not made for traditional desktop and laptop PCs, otherwise people would be buying those, because those are way more affordable by many more people, but they are not buying them, people are decidedly avoiding them, there is no other explanation for a sudden decline of 21% in already existing form factor PC sales compared to the same period last year.

The traditional form factors are readily available with Windows 8, people who buy a $500 - $600 laptop can't afford a $1000+ Surface Pro, so you can't make the connection that this market is easily interchangeable, nor will they buy a Surface RT which can't run their x86 programs. Also, people who can afford a touchscreen enabled laptop are far fewer in these troubled economic times compared to people that can only afford to spend $500 - $600 on a laptop, so they can't spend an average of $867 to get one like the NPD group says.

According to the NPD Group:
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Since the Windows 8 launch on October 26, Windows device sales have fallen 21 percent versus the same period last year

Also:
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Since its launch, Windows 8 has captured just over half (58 percent) of Windows computing device unit sales, compared to the 83 percent Windows 7 accounted for four weeks after that launch. Windows 8 tablet sales have been almost non-existent, with unit sales representing less than 1 percent of all Windows 8 device sales to date.

together with this:
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According to DigiTimes' sources in the Taiwanese supply chain, Microsoft's initial order of four million Surface RT tablets has been cut in half.

leads me to conclude that

1. People are indeed avoiding Windows 8, as many people are preferring to take home a computer with Windows 7 installed;

2. Windows RT tablets, which are readily available, are a market failure, unless you also want to find an excuse for that.
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Again, please don't confuse my general info W8 posts with your slew of only negatively charged W8 news threads.

1.
I posted those videos on the tablet section of the forums as people were interested in the tablet, not in the news section.

Posting videos of a product with no commentary = neutral. The viewer makes up their own mind whether what they are watching is good or bad, without any influence from what they are vieweing.

2.
The "Microsoft will prevail" news article was declaring WINDOWS 7 the big winner and debunking the rumours that Linux would somehow take over if W8 "failed" instead of Windows 7. Again a neutral and INFORMATIVE article, not obviously negative OR positively charged towards Windows 8.

3.
The "Windows 8 isn't bad for gaming" article is informative. Its not saying W8 is good or bad, it is giving info about why they believe it is not bad for gaming. And it was actually a counter to the "windows is bad for gaming" sillyness that was going around. It hasn't been bad for gaming at all.


There is a difference between intent to inform and intent to influence.

Neutral articles inform. Overly negative/positive articles influence. If we were to do a comparison of the overall positive or negative tone of our article postings, you'd see that the scales are tipped way over on your side.


4.
1. Yes, I have a source, it's quoted in my post you were replying to.
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"Demand for Windows 8 is not that good right now," David Chang, chief financial officer for Asus, told The Wall Street Journal. Acer executives "were uncertain how Windows 8 would be received by consumers."

"The expectations of what we forecasted for - I don't want to say we're right on track - we're probably close to being on track to where we predicted," Sony VAIO product manager Dave McFarland told Wired. "If I had to compare Windows Vista to Windows 7 versus Windows 7 to Windows 8, our sales numbers aren't as high as from the Vista to Windows 7 era."

Jeff Barney, vice president and general manager of Toshiba America's PC and TV business, stressed that the time when "Windows was the only game in town" is over. That said, he noted that initial sales of Windows 8 products were in line with Toshiba's expectations, but stated that Microsoft probably has greater projections for its platform.

Mobile windows devices have already been outnumbering desktop sales for a while now.

When W7 arrived, there were no iPads, no Nexus 7/10s, no big selling tablets or phablets.

It was a TOTALLY different market.

To ignore the huge surge of mobile devices to hit the market since 2009 and say "oh the lower sales compared to Windows 7 launch must simply be because of the OS" is to show your lack of wanting to really get down to the truth and also your willingness to simply pin the blame due to your bias against the OS.

Like it says in your own quote. "WINDOWS WAS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN". Were now at a time where Apple can sell 1.5 million iPads one weeken, launch a new iPad in the same year and sell 3 million iPads in another weekend.

Then there's the hugely popular android devices and things like the Nexus 7s, the Kindles, the Asus Transformers, not to mention all cheaper ones you can find on ebay and the like.

But hey, none of that exists, right.

Everything is literally because of the metro start menu. People are literally avoiding Windows 8. Its not there's a huge new market for mobile devices that didn't exist when Windows 7 launched or anything silly like that.

Meh, can't be bothered tbh, It was never my intention to attempt to discuss this with you, just to lol at how desperate you are with your news posts to shine negative light on W8.

Time for work.
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There is a difference between intent to inform and intent to influence.

Neutral articles inform. Overly negative/positive articles influence. If we were to do a comparison of the overall positive or negative tone of our article postings, you'd see that the scales are tipped way over on your side.

Yes, there is a difference, but you don't know what it is. Overly negative / positive articles can be neutral, it all depends on whether the product being reviewed or the event being talked about warrants such an approach or not. You can't just label something that is overly negative or positive as biased.

But this is besides the point. All the posts I've posted are either reviews by reputed sites, like Anand's review of Windows RT, Ars Technica's Windows 8 review, or the New York Times' takes on Windows 8 here and here, that say both good things and bad things. It is your bias telling that these articles are overly negative, they are not, they try to give justified reasons in order to make both positive and negative points. The other threads I posted are all about how Windows 8 is doing, and according to many sources, it's not doing great at all, what is the choice here ? Oh, wait, it's paint things in a good light by posting an article that claims that 40 million copies were sold, right ?

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Mobile windows devices have already been outnumbering desktop sales for a while now.

When W7 arrived, there were no iPads, no Nexus 7/10s, no big selling tablets or phablets.

It was a TOTALLY different market.

To ignore the huge surge of mobile devices to hit the market since 2009 and say "oh the lower sales compared to Windows 7 launch must simply be because of the OS" is to show your lack of wanting to really get down to the truth and also your willingness to simply pin the blame due to your bias against the OS.

Like it says in your own quote. "WINDOWS WAS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN". Were now at a time where Apple can sell 1.5 million iPads one weeken, launch a new iPad in the same year and sell 3 million iPads in another weekend.

Then there's the hugely popular android devices and things like the Nexus 7s, the Kindles, the Asus Transformers, not to mention all cheaper ones you can find on ebay and the like.

But hey, none of that exists, right.

Everything is literally because of the metro start menu. People are literally avoiding Windows 8. Its not there's a huge new market for mobile devices that didn't exist when Windows 7 launched or anything silly like that.

Meh, can't be bothered tbh, It was never my intention to attempt to discuss this with you, just to lol at how desperate you are with your news posts to shine negative light on W8.

Time for work.

What is your point exactly ? It's not only compared to Windows 7 sales, it compared to Windows 7 sales since the launch of Windows 8 PCs.

I think you missed the quote by the NPD Group:
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Since the Windows 8 launch on October 26, Windows device sales have fallen 21 percent versus the same period last year

Tablets, in their current format have been around since 2010. A Nexus 7 can be bought for half the price of a Surface RT and has a vastly bigger choice of apps to start with, everybody knows that, many more people are likely to buy a Nexus 7 than a Surface RT. But what does all this have to do with the fact that since the launch of Windows 8 Windows PCs have declined by 21% compared to last year ? What does tablet sales have to do with this ? You can't explain the sudden decline with tablets, because people have had a wide choice of much better supported and cheaper tablets to buy in the previous years, the decline in Windows PCs sales would have had to drop catastrophically over the past two - three years and not compared to the same period last year.

And when you say:
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But hey, none of that exists, right.

Everything is literally because of the metro start menu. People are literally avoiding Windows 8.

, I'd like to remind you that you also ignored the second quote from the NPD Group that I also posted:

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Since its launch, Windows 8 has captured just over half (58 percent) of Windows computing device unit sales, compared to the 83 percent Windows 7 accounted for four weeks after that launch.

This quote tells you that you are wrong! People are still buying PCs with Windows, but they are buying much less PCs with Windows 8 and still buying a considerable amount of PCs with Windows 7. It this doesn't tell you objectively that people are avoiding PCs with Windows 8, then nothing will.
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Only posting negatively charged news posts, obviously for the reason of casting negative light on Windows 8, is not the same as just posting about Windows 8 the operating system.

Many of my Windows 8 news threads have actually been about informative regarding Windows as an operating system.

The thread I made about the winRT article from Ars was a very long and informative article that goes way back to the first windows versions and talks much more about other versions of Windows than anything else.

The thread I made about Microsoft "prevailing" was an article that described that Windows 7 would actually be the victor of the so called battle between Windows 8 and Linux.

The thread I made about Windows 8 sales was only a reply to the rumour threads.

No other threads I've made have anything to do with positivity or negativity. You even attempt to compare me posting videos of a tablet being used with no commentary, (in the TABLET forum) to your ongoing slew of pure negativity regarding Windows 8 news thread creation.

Your attempt to post whatever negative news articles you can find is not the same as me making a news thread announcing that a new product or discussing the history of Windows, no matter how much you'd like it to be the case.


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Since its launch, Windows 8 has captured just over half (58 percent) of Windows computing device unit sales, compared to the 83 percent Windows 7 accounted for four weeks after that launch.

This quote tells you that you are wrong! People are still buying PCs with Windows, but they are buying much less PCs with Windows 8 and still buying a considerable amount of PCs with Windows 7. It this doesn't tell you objectively that people are avoiding PCs with Windows 8, then nothing will.

No, it just shows once again how "leaning" you are tbh.

Again, the launch it is being compared to in 2009, was a TOTALLY DIFFERENT MARKET.

In 2009:

- Vista ("sucked")
- There were no iPads selling millions of units in a weekend.
- There were no Nexus 7/10 selling like hotcakes.
- There were no Kindles selling like hotcakes.
- There were no phablets also selling like hotcakes.
- There were no cheap knock offs of all of those things.

And as one of your own quotes point out:
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(back then)WINDOWS WAS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN

Windows is not the only game in town any more, so new releases of Windows aren't going to have the same impact because there are umpteen different directions for people to take in the ultra booming mobile device market.

So comparing windows device sales from 2009 when there was basically no competition, to 2012 where there is competition coming out of MS's backside and scratching your head saying "I don't get it, why aren't device sales the same???" isn't a good look.

Even the fact you cite a percentage showing a likely growing majority of people choosing Windows 8 devices (almost 6 out of every 10 Windows device sold is a W8 device and the best W8 devices haven't even released yet in most world markets), you somehow decide the fact that the percentage representing the likely growing majority of sales favouring Wndows 8 even if down from last year, means people are "avoiding" Windows 8.
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Surface has sold less than 1 million
http://bgr.com/2012/12/05/microsoft-surface-sales-q4-2012-est/


Microsoft having some trouble with cash flow? Implementing price rises for business customers:
http://www.softcat.com/news/industry-news/important-changes-to-microsoft-products-announced
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