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If you re-read my post, I was actually careful to use the word FRUITLESS as opposed to classifying it as POINTLESS. My only real dislike for POEM/Moo is the unfairly high reward they offer, which (unfortunately, and somewhat ludicrously) stops people from contributing to other projects because they are so intent on getting a high PPD, regardless of what they're donating their time to.
Personally, I don't consider POEM or Moo to be "fruitless" as they do have real world benefits. Donate@home on the other hand, is bitcoin mining for someone else's gain. IMO, their points are way too high for what they do, helping fund another project. If you want to help them generate funds, great, but their points should not be near the top of the list. We still have no idea how much money they have made from the bitcoins and how that translates to their operating costs. It is entirely possible that part of it is actual profit.
 
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I still like the idea of trying to run the same projects for BGB and I think it would make it more competitive. But I believe that we would loose points and possibly rank by doing so. We do BGB to put out as many credits as we can and try to get others interested. You can see this in our numbers. A BGB will double, if not triple, our ppd over that time period.

And when when all boils down, it says it right there on the front page of every event "What is the monthly "BOINCers Gone Bonkers" event about?" Complaining about what we do and why we do it is analogous to entering a charity marathon and complaining that all of the other runners are running while I want to walk.

On a side note, a fruit tree that doesn't bare fruit is pointless. Yep, semantics. thumb.gif
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Personally, I don't consider POEM or Moo to be "fruitless" as they do have real world benefits. Donate@home on the other hand, is bitcoin mining for someone else's gain. IMO, their points are way too high for what they do, helping fund another project. If you want to help them generate funds, great, but their points should not be near the top of the list. We still have no idea how much money they have made from the bitcoins and how that translates to their operating costs. It is entirely possible that part of it is actual profit.

Yea thats one thing i always wonderd how much they donate and how much they keep but its the only way for amd cards to help out gpugrid.
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I still like the idea of trying to run the same projects for BGB and I think it would make it more competitive. But I believe that we would loose points and possibly rank by doing so. We do BGB to put out as many credits as we can and try to get others interested. You can see this in our numbers. A BGB will double, if not triple, our ppd over that time period.
And when when all boils down, it says it right there on the front page of every event "What is the monthly "BOINCers Gone Bonkers" event about?" Complaining about what we do and why we do it is analogous to entering a charity marathon and complaining that all of the other runners are running while I want to walk.
On a side note, a fruit tree that doesn't bare fruit is pointless. Yep, semantics. thumb.gif

It would still be unfair to lock everyone into one project what if their hardware does not run that project or run it very well. Thats why the bgb prize requirements are pretty low you could run a gpu project for 3-4hrs and meet the highest requirements then run any other project you want.
Edited by Bal3Wolf - 11/30/12 at 12:27pm
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On a side note, a fruit tree that doesn't bare fruit is pointless. Yep, semantics. thumb.gif

Not entirely pointless, it still converts CO2 and H2O into Oxygen gas and sugars. Pretty important actually. The fruit is just a means to lure animals to spread its seeds. biggrin.gif
 
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Not entirely pointless, it still converts CO2 and H2O into Oxygen gas and sugars. Pretty important actually. The fruit is just a means to lure animals to spread its seeds. biggrin.gif

Oh come on! lachen.gif Now we are just splitting hairs.

And, a tree that takes in CO2 and releases O has no net gain, meaning that the tree will take in a certain amount of CO2 over its life and release a certain amount of O over its life and then once it dies, it will put all of the carbon and oxygen and or CO2 back into the environment. biggrin.gif So to itself and others that survive on it, important, but in the grand picture, pretty neutral.
Edited by slapstick01 - 11/30/12 at 1:52pm
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Alright guys this was to help with ideas to get more ppl involved with boinc and not argue how good are the current way of doing things. The requirements arnt going to change due to the fact not everyone runs the same hardware nor the time they put into it. What needs to be addressed is ppl come in do their 3hrs on poem (not anymore) and be done with it. I agree that we should pick a set project and rank the crap out of it instead of ranking a few here and there. It wouldnt be a requirement to run the selected BGB project but maybe making a prize for a incentive to get ppl to run it. Im running GPU units and that is mostly all Ill ever do so some projects I wont touch but if gamer said, "k guys our BGB boss project is Chess960@home" Id put my resources to that for a day then day 2 Id mix it up with Moo. With poem currently out of the picture ppl will have to have to run boinc alittle longer. It shouldnt be about the prizes that make you show up on BGB events it should be to get rank for OCN and yourself. Show Darkryder and Deegon who is boss running our quad cores. kungfu.gif
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Personally, I don't consider POEM or Moo to be "fruitless" as they do have real world benefits. Donate@home on the other hand, is bitcoin mining for someone else's gain. IMO, their points are way too high for what they do, helping fund another project. If you want to help them generate funds, great, but their points should not be near the top of the list. We still have no idea how much money they have made from the bitcoins and how that translates to their operating costs. It is entirely possible that part of it is actual profit.

That's fair enough, that's also why i said "i consider it to be a fruitless endeavour" thumb.gif
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I still like the idea of trying to run the same projects for BGB and I think it would make it more competitive. But I believe that we would loose points and possibly rank by doing so. We do BGB to put out as many credits as we can and try to get others interested. You can see this in our numbers. A BGB will double, if not triple, our ppd over that time period.
And when when all boils down, it says it right there on the front page of every event "What is the monthly "BOINCers Gone Bonkers" event about?" Complaining about what we do and why we do it is analogous to entering a charity marathon and complaining that all of the other runners are running while I want to walk.
On a side note, a fruit tree that doesn't bare fruit is pointless. Yep, semantics. thumb.gif

I doubt it would really affect our rankings that much for 4 days per month. Also, it's a bit depressing that a loss in ranking is your primary concern. Don't you find the prospect of helping out all the projects to be a more enticing proposition? smile.gif

It would be good to reach a consensus soon on the idea. Is it worth making a poll to decide? Some input from gamer might be helpful seeing as he runs the BGB!
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Honestly this idea needs to be more mature before it is implemented. Our primary goal right now should be to recruit more active BOINCers, more members will do more varied and impactful research over the long run as well as help our rankings. Once there are 150-200 people doing every BGB then you implement something like this. That way you get the best of both credit and well rounded research allocation. just my opinion
 
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^ Agrees.. smile.gif

But I like arguing against ad hominems. yessir.gif
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Honestly this idea needs to be more mature before it is implemented. Our primary goal right now should be to recruit more active BOINCers, more members will do more varied and impactful research over the long run as well as help our rankings. Once there are 150-200 people doing every BGB then you implement something like this. That way you get the best of both credit and well rounded research allocation. just my opinion

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think having a lower active membership base diminishes our contribution. I doubt that having BGB point binges publicises/encourages growth any more than contributing to an alternative selection of projects. BOINC teams tend to grow naturally, in my experience. After all, it's not like we have a lack of active members with capable hardware on this forum - perhaps we should be attempting to attract more of them?
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