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Alright since several of you have suggested this I think we should try this out. You do not have to do this! THIS IS A TEST! WE DONT ALIENATE ANYONE IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT!!

So join me on Dec 4 and put your gpu/cpu to work and show the haters whats up.

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I haven't really been on here since this thread was created, so I've read through everyone and added my comments here. I apologize if i missed/overlooked anything. It was a lot to read. redface.gif

Thanks for creating this TechCrazy!
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Originally Posted by TechCrazy View Post

Anyone have ideas to get ppl more involved in boinc? It shouldnt be just the BGB where you see ppl

There are a few ways. Promoting the OCN BOINC Team as a whole in forum signature is a good way to get at few clicks over to this section. In the coming year, we will be participating in more challenges/events in specific projects. An example of this would be the recent World Community Grid 8th Birthday Challenge where we placed 11th overall. The BGB events are the best ways IMO to get people into BOINC since you can win something from it and it's a fun way to see how you rank against others in a 48-hour period.
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Originally Posted by Sethy666 View Post

Having just been part of the FFW (Forum Folding War), I can see alot of potiential in our BOINC team doing something similair.
Granted we are much smaller than our folding siblings but Im sure it would be a hoot... especially with the point some projects generate.

Once we become large, we could look into doing something like the FFW, but it would be a bit on an issue on deciding what project(s) to do it as DarkRyder has pointed out earlier in this thread
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Originally Posted by granno21 View Post

Just a thought I had:
A separate "Official" thread for prominent BOINC Projects. For example,
  • Official DiRtT Thread
  • Official Poem Thread
  • Official World Community Grid Thread
  • Official GPUGrid Thread
  • Official Milkyway@home Thread
  • Official PrimGrid Thread
Advantage: There is a lot of great information spread out between different threads for these projects. Having one thread for a given project would help consolidate information and help members. You could subscribe to the threads of your favorite projects and stay updated
Disadvantage : Creating more threads, deciding which projects are "worthy" of their own thread. Members not realizing there are Official threads and creating their own new threads, probably much more

This is a great idea. We'll always have threads erroneously being made by members that didn't realize that we had official threads for them, but by having official threads, it makes it easier to find info and app_info.xml files.
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Originally Posted by hijackerjack View Post

In general, we seem to tend to hover way too much around projects that give insane PPWU which is kinda killing our ranking on the smaller CPU projects (eOn, Enigma, SubsetSum,etc). Maybe we ought to have some prizes for specific projects for BGB, for the less known ones at least (as a bonus I mean).

Dedicating a prize to a specific project per BGB event is an interesting idea.
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Originally Posted by goodtobeking View Post

I suggested something similair last time one of these threads popped up. I even suggested we nominate one member to be the Manager, if you will, of each specific thread. That way all the important info for THAT specific project would be in one spot, or could be discussed in that thread.

Don't think we'd need a 'manager' for each. The BOINC Editors (I use 'editors' since we might get more than one OFFICIALLY someday..) can go through and append information info to the OP (downage, app_info.xml, common problems, etc).
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Originally Posted by Krusher33 View Post

http://www.overclock.net/t/480505/275-month-folding-prizes-september-winners-posted/0_50
In F@H we also have monthly prizes. Does BOINC have something like that? It would have to be pts bigger than what can be achieved in just being in the BGB. Something that causes a person to fold throughout the month just to get the minimum # of pts with a weak hardware (like a quad-core cpu).
Sadly people will only keep crunching if there's some incentive to it. For me the cost of electricity tends to over-ride the feeling of accomplishment of doing it for whatever cause I'm crunching for. But when there's prizes involved, I tend to get quite a bit more persuaded.

We essentially tied the monthly prizes into the BGB events. We used to have Overclocked accounts, Kiva Donations and OCN Lanyards on a monthly basis. Overclocked accounts and Kiva Donations have been taking off of a while since there was a serious backlog and it was starting to get annoying for myself and the winners of those prizes to be waiting months to get it. They'll come back once things calm down.
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Originally Posted by Angrybutcher View Post

One big difference between Folding and BOINC within OCN, is Folding has OCN backing/sponsorship for EVERY event, and not just a lanyard. Here with BOINC, we've had two large prize pools that I can recall, in the past year. One of those events had folders come in, won the prizes, and we haven't seen them since. That was somewhat addressed this past BGB with the prior requirements set for the largest prizes.

Give it time. It will take a while for our team to become as established as the Folding@Home team.
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Originally Posted by Angrybutcher View Post

One big difference between Folding and BOINC within OCN, is Folding has OCN backing/sponsorship for EVERY event, and not just a lanyard. Here with BOINC, we've had two large prize pools that I can recall, in the past year. One of those events had folders come in, won the prizes, and we haven't seen them since.

That was a very common complaint about the way the 5 billion credits milestone BGB event was done. Didn't want to exclude folders or new people for BGB23, but the graphics cards were specifically donated so that they would go to members as a thank you for being part of the team for so long. The Ducky Keyboards were put into the regular category because those were donated because it was a celebration BGB.
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Originally Posted by TechCrazy View Post

Well a simple comparison and easy to spot why so many ppl signed up. Its still a week till the event starts so maybe another 60 ppl will sign up but with these kinds of prizes kookoo.gif
Being the last event of the year maybe the big prizes should have been held onto till BGB24 or maybe hold onto a larger prize and save for the next event.

The big prizes were donated to celebrate the 10 billion credits milestone. Earlier this week, I mapped it out and estimated that December's BGB would have been the big one, but it happened that we ended up surpassing expectations and got the 10 billion in November. There are some big prizes in this BGB though.
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Originally Posted by b3machi7ke View Post

The stupidest thing is, I've been gunning for an OCN lanyard since it was first offered as a prize. Wanted to replace the one I broke for work, and since I've been waiting so long now it's a matter of pride, I wont' buy one. One day I'll win it thumb.gif
Although I wouldn't have complained about those GPUs or Duckys wink.gif

A good number of us want that lanyard!
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Originally Posted by b3machi7ke View Post

there's a PM that goes out to all who have previously participated in BGB events, reminding them to sign up before the event starts. So even if they forget or didn't know at the time, there's still a reminder that gets sent out (I think, used to be anyway)

It was becoming too much of a hassle to send a PM to everyone. It was taking about 2 hours to do it. Before the Huddler change, you could send a PM to as many people as you want in one message With Huddler, they capped it at 8 a message. I've set up the BOINCers Gone Bonkers Participants group for those that are interested in receiving the reminder PMs. This way, only those that want the PMs will receive them and it takes only a few minutes to type it out and send it out as opposed to 2 hours.
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Originally Posted by Biorganic View Post

We could motivate members and folders to recruit more Boincers. I would do this by having escalating prize brackets based on the number of Active Participants, not signups, per event.
So if 40 people are active during BGB then we distribute prizes up to tier 2... 60 people ---> tier3. etc. The problem with an incentivized system like this is that it must be worth the users time to promote, ie large prizes. Otherwise not enough people will care enough to go recruit. In this situation not having substantial admin backing will hinder our ability to consistently provide adequate rewards.

This is a fantastic idea. We could have tiers based on what prizes were donated first. If a prize that was donated isn't given out due to not meeting the requirement in a specific month, it will be pushed to the following month's BGB. What do you guys think?
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Originally Posted by deegon View Post

I guess that BGB has always been a time to get every one together to crunch as much as possible, making our way up the ranking and getting noticed?
This is a big part of attracting more people to the team and of course getting them online and chatting about their problems or even about what they are up to for Christmas smile.gif
this is the hart of what makes BGB what it is?
Don't get me wrong, any new ideas are welcome thumb.gif

BGB has always been about maximizing credits as a whole. "This is a 48-hour period where everyone fires up every computer they have, and tries to earn as many credits as they possibly can in an effort to boost our team ranking in both overall ranking and per-project rankings" -BGB description
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Originally Posted by slapstick01 View Post

I still like the idea of trying to run the same projects for BGB and I think it would make it more competitive. But I believe that we would loose points and possibly rank by doing so. We do BGB to put out as many credits as we can and try to get others interested.

Not if we make it so that there is a prize that is only winnable by getting x credits in a specific project. It can be like the referral prize from the last BGB, but with running a project instead.
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I thought you had finals.. biggrin.gif ... or is this what you consider your break time.
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gamer11200 applaud.gif
I thought you had finals.. biggrin.gif ... or is this what you consider your break time.

Finals start on the 11th for me. I have some time to relax and do light studying before I go into hardcore study-mode on the 9th tongue.gif
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BGB has always been about maximizing credits as a whole. "This is a 48-hour period where everyone fires up every computer they have, and tries to earn as many credits as they possibly can in an effort to boost our team ranking in both overall ranking and per-project rankings" -BGB description

Darn it, i looked all over the place for that description smile.gif
as far as moving to other less credit intensive projects, well that is about 2 months away wink.gif
I have a plan. . . Some mite say it's a cunning plan. . .

good luck in all the exams gamer11200
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Darn it, i looked all over the place for that description smile.gif
as far as moving to other less credit intensive projects, well that is about 2 months away wink.gif
I have a plan. . . Some mite say it's a cunning plan. . .
good luck in all the exams gamer11200

You're just waiting to get your 1 billion XD. But this plan better be good, cuz I dont think it can trump your server rack haha.
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I see where you're coming from, but I don't think having a lower active membership base diminishes our contribution. I doubt that having BGB point binges publicises/encourages growth any more than contributing to an alternative selection of projects. BOINC teams tend to grow naturally, in my experience. After all, it's not like we have a lack of active members with capable hardware on this forum - perhaps we should be attempting to attract more of them?

I never implied that BGB, point binges, were going to bring in more people. I was merely using the number of active members during a BGB as a litmus to give us a better idea of the number of active BOINCers. My primary point was that we should be trying to recruit more members, as you went on to state. So we are in agreement? cheers.gif

Biorganic: We could motivate members and folders to recruit more Boincers. I would do this by having escalating prize brackets based on the number of Active Participants, not signups, per event.
So if 40 people are active during BGB then we distribute prizes up to tier 2... 60 people ---> tier3. etc.

Gamer: This is a fantastic idea. We could have tiers based on what prizes were donated first. If a prize that was donated isn't given out due to not meeting the requirement in a specific month, it will be pushed to the following month's BGB. What do you guys think?

I like the idea, but it is my idea... tongue.gif I think it would encourage us active members to go recruit. Shame on me, but I do not recruit very much besides my forum sig, which is pretty passive.
 
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Alright since several of you have suggested this I think we should try this out. You do not have to do this! THIS IS A TEST! WE DONT ALIENATE ANYONE IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT!!
So join me on Dec 4 and put your gpu/cpu to work and show the haters whats up.
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World Community Grid - Help Conquer Cancer (currently 130)
Dec 4th is a terrible day to start this, IMO. That is the start of BGB, which the main idea is to gather the most points, helping the team raise overall rank. Projects help also, but I would prefer people do this on say the 7th, after BGB is over. It would be amazing to see the team hit 15th in the world before the end of the year. Currently we would need 45 days, but it is entirely possible by the end of the year if we end up with points like we had for November thumb.gif
 
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Dec 4th is a terrible day to start this, IMO. That is the start of BGB, which the main idea is to gather the most points, helping the team raise overall rank. Projects help also, but I would prefer people do this on say the 7th, after BGB is over. It would be amazing to see the team hit 15th in the world before the end of the year. Currently we would need 45 days, but it is entirely possible by the end of the year if we end up with points like we had for November thumb.gif

Understood and this is just to test a few things that Im concerned about. If ppl want to do those projects specool.gif if not thats specool.gif too. Im playing around with days and Ive thought of some random ideas that Im going to talk to gamer about after finals so hes not worried with all this. I was kinda thinking of a BOINCers Attack kinda event where we attack one project and rank the crap out of it but it sounds to much like BGB, so keep up with ideas to get, keep, and make ppl want to come boinc with us.
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Well Im doing WCG atm on other rig but lets put this event project idea on the back burner till we have some data to back it up. As for keeping active members does anyone have any ideas?
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