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So my current build should be below but basically right now I'm running without a RAID setup.

I just got a new OCZ Vertex 4 256gb SSD and a second WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD (to go with the one I already have)

My plan was to RAID 0 the 2 WD HDD's and use the SSD for Intel Smart Response Tech.

Problem is my MoBo (Asus P8Z68-V Pro) only has 2 SATA 3 connections that will run with a raid setup, the others are SATA 2.

The way I see it I have 3 options:
1) RAID 0 the HDD's on the SATA 3 ports and have the SSD run on a SATA 2 connection
2) RAID 0 the HDD's on 1 SATA 3 and 1 SATA 2 and have the SSD run on the remaining SATA 3
3) Forget the RAID 0 all together and just Smart Response the current HDD and hook up the 2nd HDD to one of my Marvell SATA 3 ports (that don't support RAID)

Anyone have any thoughts?

Will any of these options give me not so great performance when another would give me fantastic performance?

I'm trying to avoid doing many tests all the different ways.

Seems to me like the easiest way to go will be option 3 but it also seems like it would be the slowest.

*WD Caviar Black's are 7200rpm 64mb cache

Thanks
post #2 of 14
To your question, What you can do is RAID0 both Caviar's using SATA II ports and the SSD on a SATA III . Do not worry, none of the caviar's will be fast enough to require SATA III.

Now, since your SSD is big enough, l I would try (I am not sure it is possible) to partition your SSD in such a way that you have your system in pure SSD and your caviar's in a SSD cached volume.

Here's a link to somebody who tried it.

Let us know if it works and good luck
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I actually did have that thought also but I wasn't sure if it would work.

Also you really don't think the HDD's will function deliver data fast enough for the SATA 3 to matter? when I first installed the 1 it was on a SATA 2 and it seemed to be noticeably faster when I moved it to the SATA 3.

That being said this setup does sound fast enough I would never notice.

Thanks for the help, I will try it out in a few hours when I get home from work and post the results (assuming it doesn't explode)
post #4 of 14
Here's the datasheet for the 1TB Caviar Black --> http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-771434.pdf

As you can see, maximum performance of this HDD is 126 MB/s (sustained). This is only 1/3rd of what SATA II is capable of, so it will not matter.
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Originally Posted by Otterface View Post

So my current build should be below but basically right now I'm running without a RAID setup.

I just got a new OCZ Vertex 4 256gb SSD and a second WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD (to go with the one I already have)

My plan was to RAID 0 the 2 WD HDD's and use the SSD for Intel Smart Response Tech.

Problem is my MoBo (Asus P8Z68-V Pro) only has 2 SATA 3 connections that will run with a raid setup, the others are SATA 2.

The way I see it I have 3 options:
1) RAID 0 the HDD's on the SATA 3 ports and have the SSD run on a SATA 2 connection
2) RAID 0 the HDD's on 1 SATA 3 and 1 SATA 2 and have the SSD run on the remaining SATA 3
3) Forget the RAID 0 all together and just Smart Response the current HDD and hook up the 2nd HDD to one of my Marvell SATA 3 ports (that don't support RAID)

Anyone have any thoughts?

Will any of these options give me not so great performance when another would give me fantastic performance?

I'm trying to avoid doing many tests all the different ways.

Seems to me like the easiest way to go will be option 3 but it also seems like it would be the slowest.

*WD Caviar Black's are 7200rpm 64mb cache

Thanks
You can not use more than 64GB for SSD caching. Don't bother with it since you have a 256GB drive.
SSD for OS on Intel SATA 3 port.
HDDs in RAID 0 for personal data on Intel SATA 2 ports.
post #6 of 14
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You can not use more than 64GB for SSD caching. Don't bother with it since you have a 256GB drive.
SSD for OS on Intel SATA 3 port.
HDDs in RAID 0 for personal data on Intel SATA 2 ports.

Didn't know about the 64gb, thanks a ton for saving me from the trouble.

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Originally Posted by mcastaneda68 View Post

Here's the datasheet for the 1TB Caviar Black --> http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-771434.pdf
As you can see, maximum performance of this HDD is 126 MB/s (sustained). This is only 1/3rd of what SATA II is capable of, so it will not matter.

Ha! I looked it up too, wanted to see how wrong I was xD

Thanks for the info, all devices are installed (including an H60 I thought wouldn't be here for a week). Just running some backups to a portable hdd then we will see what happens next.

I got a good scare when just installing them made windows fail on start up over and over again. No idea why its working now but I figured making sure my backup was current would be smart before going further.
post #7 of 14
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Update:

At this point successful!

Still fixing up some drivers and such at this point but overall great success, thanks again for the help!
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What was the final setup?
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post #9 of 14
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Turns out not so successful cause I must have done something dumb somewhere...

So everything worked, backup loaded fine onto the new raid, then in moving the users folder over (through a guide here I can't seem to find now) I screwed up changing the registry and started over.

Final Setup:

SSD with 3 Partitions (80gb-OS, 70gb-Accelerator, 88gb Hot Swap for Programs I want to use the SSD for)
*Everything crashed during the Rapid storage install because I broke the registry so I'm not actually positive that worked yet*

HDD (2-WD 1TB Caviar Black) Now running as a single RAID0.


This brought up a new question, I have only searched the forums a little for this so far since I'm at work so forgive me if there is a really obvious post.

Now that I have a clean install OS and a backup from the old system loaded onto a separate drive, is there any way to restore my old user settings? I tried briefly on my lunch break but got no real results.

I already moved the old user profile over the new user folder (that is moved to the non OS drive).

My plan when I get home is to just create a new user of the same name and hope it just accepts it but no idea what will happen.

Any thoughts? or should I just make a new post in the windows forum if I can't find any effective search results?
Edited by Otterface - 11/30/12 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by Otterface View Post

Turns out not so successful cause I must have done something dumb somewhere...

So everything worked, backup loaded fine onto the new raid, then in moving the users folder over (through a guide here I can't seem to find now) I screwed up changing the registry and started over.

Final Setup:

SSD with 3 Partitions (80gb-OS, 70gb-Accelerator, 88gb Hot Swap for Programs I want to use the SSD for)
*Everything crashed during the Rapid storage install because I broke the registry so I'm not actually positive that worked yet*

HDD (2-WD 1TB Caviar Black) Now running as a single RAID0.


This brought up a new question, I have only searched the forums a little for this so far since I'm at work so forgive me if there is a really obvious post.

Now that I have a clean install OS and a backup from the old system loaded onto a separate drive, is there any way to restore my old user settings? I tried briefly on my lunch break but got no real results.

I already moved the old user profile over the new user folder (that is moved to the non OS drive).

My plan when I get home is to just create a new user of the same name and hope it just accepts it but no idea what will happen.

Any thoughts? or should I just make a new post in the windows forum if I can't find any effective search results?
Did that guide involve registry edits? If so don't follow it again. It is useless. You will probably break everything again. Just move the user folders themselves by the location tab in their properties.

And for the Intel RST, did you try enable caching on the OS SSD after the you installed the OS? If so that will corrupt everything and make you have to reinstall as well. You can't do that. Do not bother with caching what so ever unless you have a second SSD imo.
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