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This will be a flop.
It's too expensive and the battery life, between 4 and 5 hours is mediocre for a tablet. A tablet is a device that you are supposedly able to use all day, not half the day. If you are going to be making compromises like that, an Ultrabook with a proper attached keyboard and much better battery life, is the best option for the price.

Its not just a common tablet though, it's a computer (with mostly ultrabook specs) in a tablet form factor.

I can put a surface pro in a case with a neck band and carry it around with me for my line of work where running around buildings under construction while simultaneously requiring data input on custom software is required.

Is an ultrabook the "better option" in this situation? Not in the slightest.

Again, different people have different needs.

True, different people have different needs, but unless you can fit all the work you need to get done in under 4 - 4.5 hours, this won't fit the bill, and that is one of its main problems, which makes it worse than an ultrabook in those situations; it's better to be able to carry an Ultrabook in your hand that you can actually work with when you need to than to carry a tablet with a dead battery around your neck for the rest of the day.
 
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Hook it up to a keyboard, mouse, and monitor and it becomes a full PC.
Also, touchscreen laptops are thicker, and people might not like that form factor.
Not to mention, Intel sells ULV CPUs at a premium... they're as expensive as their mid-high end laptop CPUs.

I wonder how well it will play Crysis 3. wink.gif
post #113 of 170
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True, different people have different needs, but unless you can fit all the work you need to get done in under 4 - 4.5 hours, this won't fit the bill, and that is one of its main problems, which makes it worse than an ultrabook in those situations; it's better to be able to carry an Ultrabook in your hand that you can actually work with when you need to than to carry a tablet with a dead battery around your neck for the rest of the day.

but hey it has "touch" which is key to productivity lol
post #114 of 170
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True, different people have different needs, but unless you can fit all the work you need to get done in under 4 - 4.5 hours, this won't fit the bill, and that is one of its main problems, which makes it worse than an ultrabook in those situations; it's better to be able to carry an Ultrabook in your hand that you can actually work with when you need to than to carry a tablet with a dead battery around your neck for the rest of the day.

Why are assuming you know the needs of myself or anyone else for that matter?

And how does bringing up a scenario where another device would be better negate a scenario where the surface would be better?

Furthermore, a clover trail based convertible tablet that provides a lightweight full Windows 8 experience with long lasting battery life would be better than an ultrabook if you're talking about being on your feet all day. I would've probably bought one already if there were any available for me to buy.

However, for people who want some more performance from their device while also needing it to be able to provide a sufficient mobile interface while on the go, the Surface Pro will do fine.

Obviously there are better options for those on their feet all day, but this device and what it is capable of doing was obviously not designed for those people anyway.

Again, different people need and like different things and if you understand that as you assert you do, there's no point bringing up one scenario where it might not work for a certain set of people and then making all judgements from that one scenario.

For every "but the battery life isn't long enough" (in your opinion) scenario you bring up, I can give a "but an ultrabook isn't a regular tablet form factor with a pen digitizer" and that would be that.

Neither need/scenario cancels the other out, they are just different scenarios/needs that will affect different people and therefore influence their purchases differently.
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but hey it has "touch" which is key to productivity lol

Because literally everybody who uses technology to be productive is sitting at a desk clattering away at a keyboard, correct?
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im not a w8 hater. i support it for it's fullscreen support and the addition of touchpad gestures. i just think touchscreen laptops+desktops are a gimmick. they should have focused on touchpads instead.

as far games go though, touchscreens could definitely influence how game ui's play out. look at the civ demo boxyche posted. that ui is optimized for touch. it would be a sad day for pc gamers if we end up with glorified wii games.

 

 

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Who cares what the game or program is optimized for, with Surface you have the OPTION..!

 

Without keyboard, mouse, or touchscreen, etc..  you don't have those options. With Surface, you have the ability (as an end-user) to choose what interface you like to use at any moment with any game, or program.

 

Your posts within this thread have no logical standing...   if you start with a mouse, or keyboard, that deos not mean you are only limited to that..   You can easily just "touch" the screen if you felt it easier for that passing input.

 

 

Scenario: Typing up a spread and don't want to look away to grab mouse, u can just touch to the next field on the screen and keep typing, etc. That does not mean, you are locked in too, or limited by only using a "touch",  or a mouse, etc..   One can use all forms of input, however you like, whenever you like. It is now the end-user's choice!

 

 

Your defunct argument is hilarious.


Edited by formula m - 12/9/12 at 8:56am
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I agree. I don't put the surface pro in the same category as the ipad, to me the ipad is nothing more than a glorified toy. Don't get me wrong; the iPad is a nice product but a full PC is much more useful to me. With the surface pro I get full x86 compatibility in a product that doubles up as a full ultrabook in a tablet form factor. So i'm pretty excited about it - I can do all the fun stuff that one does on an ipad while also being able to play less demanding PC games and all using all of my productivity programs; the surface pro will be much more versatile than an ipad, albeit more expensive.
Edited by xoleras - 12/9/12 at 12:00pm
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it has a tiny touchpad while the mba has a much nicer one. and touchpad is better for x86 apps. it depends on the apps, but for general purpose and office apps touchpad is better.

The Surface Pro has a 10.6" touchpad that is a lot more accurate(in-built digitizer that's 512x more accurate than the touchpad in the MBA) as well as a built-in keyboard. I'll concede that the chicklet keyboard on the MBA will make you more productive than the Typecover on the Surface, but the Surface wins out when it comes to touch gestures.
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Why are assuming you know the needs of myself or anyone else for that matter?

And how does bringing up a scenario where another device would be better negate a scenario where the surface would be better?

Furthermore, a clover trail based convertible tablet that provides a lightweight full Windows 8 experience with long lasting battery life would be better than an ultrabook if you're talking about being on your feet all day. I would've probably bought one already if there were any available for me to buy.

However, for people who want some more performance from their device while also needing it to be able to provide a sufficient mobile interface while on the go, the Surface Pro will do fine.

Obviously there are better options for those on their feet all day, but this device and what it is capable of doing was obviously not designed for those people anyway.

Again, different people need and like different things and if you understand that as you assert you do, there's no point bringing up one scenario where it might not work for a certain set of people and then making all judgements from that one scenario.

For every "but the battery life isn't long enough" (in your opinion) scenario you bring up, I can give a "but an ultrabook isn't a regular tablet form factor with a pen digitizer" and that would be that.

Neither need/scenario cancels the other out, they are just different scenarios/needs that will affect different people and therefore influence their purchases differently.


I wasn't assuming I knew your needs, sorry for the mix-up, when I said "you" I meant in general, as in a hypothetical me, you or someone else. I wasn't making an all judgement based on my scenario, I was just saying what people have come to expect from a tablet form factor in terms of battery life, it's as valid an argument as yours.

I agree that an Atom based tablet will be much better in this regard, after all it can still run x86 applications and provide much better baterry life. When it comes to the Surface Pro, as it is now, with a 17w IB CPU, it won't be the product it's supposed to be. I bet even Intel is working hard to bring those 10w and 13w TDP IB CPUs even before Haswell in order to give these devices better battery life. It's just that these things are being sold without a Touch Cover or Touch Keyboard as standard, which means that willingly or not, Microsoft if primarily pitching them as tablets with the possibility of being turned into an Ultrabook, but as a tablet it fares poorly because people have come to expect all day battery life. If you (not you, in general) have to start thinking about whether you need to bring the charger with you, then there goes the ultra mobility factor out the window. Sure, some people might just need it for half a day, but I don't think most people will like doing the sacrifice, and I bet Microsoft and Intel know this, hence the push for 10w and 13w IB CPUs.
 
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The Surface Pro has a 10.6" touchpad that is a lot more accurate(in-built digitizer that's 512x more accurate than the touchpad in the MBA) as well as a built-in keyboard. I'll concede that the chicklet keyboard on the MBA will make you more productive than the Typecover on the Surface, but the Surface wins out when it comes to touch gestures.

which are situationally useful, but to the average office worker irrelevant in terms of productivity
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which are situationally useful, but to the average office worker irrelevant in terms of productivity

The same can be said of a touchpad. Your point is still moot considering you can use a USB mouse on the Surface which is resolutely more useful(and accurate) than a touchpad if Office work is of utmost concern.
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