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post #131 of 170
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Office workers dont buy their laptops for work either.. The company provides them just like they provide blackberries. We're working more and more away from the office. You can live in denial about it but its true. The companies will purchase these for the most part. I know as an individual I will be buying one.

What serious company is purchasing the Surface en mass to give out to their employees to conduct serious business?
Do you seriously think Goldman Sachs or Bank of America is going to purchase their entire HR department of actual office workers the Surface so they can be more productive doing payroll or workman comp claims at their home in their bed in their pajamas?
post #132 of 170
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post


my argument is that it should be considered on the same grounds as any other ultrabook, in terms of productivity at least-if you get the keyboard/trackpad
and mobile os is not productivity because you can't use fingers and stylus in acutal office programs, pretty obvious point

 

 

No.. that^ is not an argument.

 

It is your inability to understand that a "tablet"... is not an ultrabook. And that Surface is different than both, even though it is technically a tablet. And if you consider the Surface more productive than a tablet and at least as productive as an ultrabook, then you've ceeded your own argument..!!

 

Secondly, the Operating Sytem itself, doesn't know it's mobile... so if you have Windows8 sitting on a PC, or a Surface Pro... what is the difference?

 

 

Lastly, why can't you use fingers in actual office programs?

post #133 of 170
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Originally Posted by SquareDancer View Post


I'm not sure what you not having an office and not being an office worker has to do with office worker productivity with the Surface

 

 

Obviously troll'n^...

 

The term "office work" refers to traditional office work. Uno, like when you were a kid out of college and you got an "office job"..?  Which today, 20 years later can be done fliting about the country, on airplains, trains, hotel rooms, people's driveways, or on people's boat...  etc. Understand, people here are not suggesting that ALL office work, just the type that can be mobile.

 

BTW..  anything that involved data entry, field entry or typing... was considered office work in the traditional sense.

 

 

 

Lastly,

There is nothing you cannot do on the Microsoft Surface Pro, that you cannot do within a traditional office environment. Even print to a printer, etc..  So your argument is not with Windows8, or the MS Surface... it is with your inability to understand what people do at work. Therefore, you should take that ignorance to another thread, we are talking about hardware here.

 

 

 

 

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Edited by formula m - 12/12/12 at 6:26am
post #134 of 170
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Obviously troll'n^...

The term "office work" refers to traditional office work. Uno, like when you were a kid out of college and you got an "office job"..?  Which today, 20 years later can be done fliting about the country, on airplains, trains, hotel rooms, people's driveways, or on people's boat...  etc. Understand, people here are not suggesting that ALL office work, just the type that can be mobile.

BTW..  anything that involved data entry, field entry or typing... was considered office work in the traditional sense.



Lastly,
There is nothing you cannot do on the Microsoft Surface Pro, that you cannot do within a traditional office environment. Even print to a printer, etc..  So your argument is not with Windows8, or the MS Surface... it is with your inability to understand what people do at work. Therefore, you should take that ignorance to another thread, we are talking about hardware here.

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You're talking about a hypothetical that doesn't reflex the reality.

All these arguments about "The Surface has the ability to do all these things and it has so much potential!" are akin to desperate fanboys of the latest failing MMO that was just released and proved to be awful. "B.. bu... but this game has so much potential! The graphics are so good, just wait they'll fix everything else, just wait think of the ~potential~"
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Which today, 20 years later can be done fliting about the country, on airplains, trains, hotel rooms, people's driveways, or on people's boat... etc. Understand, people here are not suggesting that ALL office work, just the type that can be mobile.

What you're describing is a potentiality of the possibilities of a product, but none of this actually means anything outside of the society, culture, use value, etc. The interesting bit is how it is possible for you and others to talk purely about the engineering, programming, technical aspects of this device and see it completely free of its social relations and use value. It's like you're ignoring all this because it's irrelevant to the incredible feat of technology that was delivered.
Edited by SquareDancer - 12/12/12 at 7:45am
post #135 of 170
In other news:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/microsoft-surface-availability-increased-as-low-sales-are-reported
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9234600/Microsoft_to_expand_retail_locations_for_Surface_RT_sales
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/11/us-microsoft-surface-idUSBRE8BA1BM20121211
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"The public reaction to Surface has been exciting to see," Panos Panay, general manager of Microsoft's Surface project, said. "We've increased production and are expanding the ways in which customers can interact with, experience and purchase Surface."

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Despite increasing production, latest reports have suggested Microsoft Surface tablet sales are well behind expectations with the Telegraph citing wealth management firm Detwiler Fenton in suggesting Microsoft will shift just 500,000 Surface tablets by the end of the year, down considerably on the 2 million unit target.

5 million surfaces shipped!*
*Between china and american warehouses.

supply side economics

push enough Surfaces out and people just HAVE to buy these things eventually
post #136 of 170
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Originally Posted by SquareDancer View Post


You're talking about a hypothetical that doesn't reflex the reality.
All these arguments about "The Surface has the ability to do all these things and it has so much potential!" are akin to desperate fanboys of the latest failing MMO that was just released and proved to be awful. "B.. bu... but this game has so much potential! The graphics are so good, just wait they'll fix everything else, just wait think of the ~potential~"
What you're describing is a potentiality of the possibilities of a product, but none of this actually means anything outside of the society, culture, use value, etc. The interesting bit is how it is possible for you and others to talk purely about the engineering, programming, technical aspects of this device and see it completely free of its social relations and use value. It's like you're ignoring all this because it's irrelevant to the incredible feat of technology that was delivered.

 

I can see I've upset your normal troll'n spot and have resorted to babbling^..

 

 

Sorry, these situations are real, because people use their laptops for them... now they can go even moAr lighter, moAr portable..  laptop stuffed into a tablet w/keyboard. How do u not understand such a very simple concept?

 

Portability is not "potential", its a requirement for many. And yes, the MS Surface has the potential to be portable. Just like those laptops you talk about.

 

 

What is interesting, is that you are not able to rebuttal my words, and now have resorted to yammering purely about engineering, programming and technical aspects of a hardware device...  which are facts.

post #137 of 170
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Originally Posted by formula m View Post

I can see I've upset your normal troll'n spot and have resorted to babbling^..


Sorry, these situations are real, because people use their laptops for them... now they can go even moAr lighter, moAr portable..  laptop stuffed into a tablet w/keyboard. How do u not understand such a very simple concept?

Portability is not "potential", its a requirement for many. And yes, the MS Surface has the potential to be portable. Just like those laptops you talk about.


What is interesting, is that you are not able to rebuttal my words, and now have resorted to yammering purely about engineering, programming and technical aspects of a hardware device...  which are facts.

Yes... yes... resort to calling someone a troll who shows you up. Classic.

So if people can go "moAr" lighter and "moAr" portable, why isn't everyone using their iPhones to do office work on? The iPhone is lighter and more portable than a laptop, conveniently fits in your pocket too! No need for those pesky laptop bags. It's almost like there is more to consider than its portability!
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Just like those laptops you talk about.

What laptops have I been talking about? You're projecting.

You can't even comprehend what I'm saying because you're sperging out about crap that doesn't actually mean anything. You're taking the "good" qualities of the Surface out of the context in which it is used and into a vacuum and perfect world.
"The Surface is portable! Therefore it is superior!" What tablet isn't portable? It's like this is some great aspect of the device that is exclusive to it and not any other tablet, much less laptop.

The fact of that matter is that there is no compelling reason for consumers or businesses to purchase the Surface. Sales, etc. are indicative of this. It doesn't matter what features because that's only a small portion of the totality of the entire experience of the device. I can list features all day, but what does it really tell you about the actual design and experience with the device?
This is why I equated the Surface with a fancy MMO. There are lots of fancy WoW killer MMOs that are released with tons of features, open combat, amazing graphics, fast paced combat, whatever, you get my point... But if the game play is crap, game experiences are crap, the game is buggy, etc., it's not a good game. You can entice people to your device with features and components, but it doesn't mean that their experience with the device will be satisfactory or compelling enough for them to buy it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, so to speak. More importantly, why would they drink your dirty water and not the proven, clean water that others are providing?
post #138 of 170

So does Windows SUrface pro work like a regular laptop?

 

I mean all I want is that my currency market platforms to work and if this thing can make it happen than I will buy one.

 

I know wih the regular Surface, you can not install exe programs but I suppose this Surface pro is a differentone.

post #139 of 170
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It is your inability to understand that a "tablet"... is not an ultrabook. And that Surface is different than both, even though it is technically a tablet. And if you consider the Surface more productive than a tablet and at least as productive as an ultrabook, then you've ceeded your own argument..!!

let me put it this way. here are the quantitative values for productivity for each

surface:
tablet: 0
laptop: 1
tablet+laptop=1.

laptop:
laptop:1

a laptop alone is equally productive. this is why companies should basically just compare surface to other ultrabooks.
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Lastly, why can't you use fingers in actual office programs?

try clicking on the space between letters in an excel or word document and tell me "fingers work" in this context.

also, try typing while standing up with a tablet. if you actually want to type you have to sit down anyway.
Edited by perfectblade - 12/13/12 at 5:54am
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