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Hey forum,

I'm looking for a new PSU as my OCZ ZS 550W just isn't cutting it anymore. The 12 V rail dips from 12.04 to 11.6 V as soon as I load up the GPU then proceeds to jump around a little. I've been eyeing the Silencer MKIII 600 W from a local store, Memory-Express. Here is the product page:

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37754


I'm open to other recomendation but it would have to be from there as it's the only store nearby me and I need it for this weekend. My specs are as follows:
  • Maximus III Gene
  • Intel Xeon X3480 @ 3.5 GHz
  • AMD 7950 @ 1200/1500 MHz or a GTX295 @ stock
  • 3x SSD
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I'd like to be able to overclock up to about 4 GHz on the CPU and 1300 MHz on the AMD GPU. I also have a GTX295 that I use sometimes as well so it should be able to power that. I won't have the AMD and the Nvidia in at the same time, just one or the other. Thanks for any advice or recommendations.
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With what and how are you measuring the 12v drops?
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With what and how are you measuring the 12v drops?

 

I borrowed an analog fluke multi-meter from work two days ago when I was suspicious about my PSU affecting my overclocking.
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I borrowed an analog fluke multi-meter from work two days ago when I was suspicious about my PSU affecting my overclocking.
I'm trying to figure out the technique you used (measuring points and process), I've seen such things happen with perfectly fine units because of some hiccup in the delivery system (like cheap/poor extensions, poor connectors, etc) or improper measurements.
The ZS 550 should be easily enough for that system... if the drop is that high with a Lynnfield and a 7950 then I suspect there's something flawed with the unit, so I'd suggest an RMA.

Of what's on offer at memoryexpress, the MKIII is probably your best choice, but that doesn't make it a good one.... at 70-750$ yes, at 100$ you should be able to get a premium unit from a variety of other shops.
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I borrowed an analog fluke multi-meter from work two days ago when I was suspicious about my PSU affecting my overclocking.
I'm trying to figure out the technique you used (measuring points and process), I've seen such things happen with perfectly fine units because of some hiccup in the delivery system (like cheap/poor extensions, poor connectors, etc) or improper measurements.
The ZS 550 should be easily enough for that system... if the drop is that high with a Lynnfield and a 7950 then I suspect there's something flawed with the unit, so I'd suggest an RMA.

Of what's on offer at memoryexpress, the MKIII is probably your best choice, but that doesn't make it a good one.... at 70-750$ yes, at 100$ you should be able to get a premium unit from a variety of other shops.

 

Thanks for the reply. I was pretty sure that the drop I was seeing was abnormal, albeit within spec if I'm not mistaken. I've opened up this unit to have the entire casing powder-coated and trimmed out all the cables I wasn't using as it was for my Project Maple Leaf build in a Core 1000 and space was at a premium with a water-cooling loop. So RMA is out of the question at this point in time. Considering I got the unit for $35 on NCIX with free shipping, I'm not overly concerned about losing it. I'll probably just end up using it to power an old car stereo head unit in the garage.

As for measuring, it was done using two of the wires that were trimmed back, just stripped back 1/4" and used aligator clips.. Test point is less than a few inches from the PCB in the PSU.
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That would make the drop on the PCIe/EPS even higher (probably outside spec).. yeah, that certainly impacted your overclocks.

Checked a couple of other vendors in the meantime (NCIX and newegg), and @ or below 100$ you could get a Seasonic G 450/550W or a Rosewill Capstone (M) 450/550W, all premium units and good deals at those prices.... but if memoryexpress simply can't be avoided, go with your initial choice. wink.gif
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That would make the drop on the PCIe/EPS even higher (probably outside spec).. yeah, that certainly impacted your overclocks.

Checked a couple of other vendors in the meantime (NCIX and newegg), and @ or below 100$ you could get a Seasonic G 450/550W or a Rosewill Capstone (M) 450/550W, all premium units and good deals at those prices.... but if memoryexpress simply can't be avoided, go with your initial choice. wink.gif

 

Even higher, really? I'm use to dealing with 120+ V AC with work, never got around to learning electronics, went with motor control and power transmission instead and some PLC's. How does the PCIe/EPS voltage relate to the test point I used in this case?

And yeah, Calgary doesn't have much, I'm lucky enough to have Memory-Express. I am new to this city though so for all I know there is some magical little specialist shop, but seeing my old stable 3.7 GHz OC slowly degrade and finally seeing this drop has put a new PSU at the top of my priority list. Especially for the upcoming BGB event, I don't want to be damaging components because I was too lazy to upgrade one of the most important pieces of hardware.

I'm going to try to price-match it to DirectCanada for $64 + shipping - 25% of difference since that is Memory-Express' new Uber Price Match Policy.

From the couple reviews I've read on the MKIII, Johny's was the only one to mention that it was louder and amde a point to mention it was louder than his load test box's fan. Any idea the actual noise level on this guy in relation to the ZS 550 I have now?
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YES. Original Sin mirrored my recommendations. SUCCESS !!!
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YES. Original Sin mirrored my recommendations. SUCCESS !!!

 

Well it was an Editor-only conversation...

Thanks though King for the second opiniong :)
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Even higher, really? I'm use to dealing with 120+ V AC with work, never got around to learning electronics, went with motor control and power transmission instead and some PLC's. How does the PCIe/EPS voltage relate to the test point I used in this case?
It's about electrical resistance/conductance..... the high amperage on the 12v wires feeding the CPU/VGA VRMS will generate additional resistance which is amplified even more by the higher length of the cables and the connectors as well. smile.gif
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And yeah, Calgary doesn't have much, I'm lucky enough to have Memory-Express. I am new to this city though so for all I know there is some magical little specialist shop, but seeing my old stable 3.7 GHz OC slowly degrade and finally seeing this drop has put a new PSU at the top of my priority list. Especially for the upcoming BGB event, I don't want to be damaging components because I was too lazy to upgrade one of the most important pieces of hardware.
Nice, enjoy your new City, I'm sort of a nomad myself..
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From the couple reviews I've read on the MKIII, Johny's was the only one to mention that it was louder and amde a point to mention it was louder than his load test box's fan. Any idea the actual noise level on this guy in relation to the ZS 550 I have now?
It's not a particularly noisy unit, you shouldn't be bother by it more than you were by the ZS.
Edited by Original Sin - 11/29/12 at 1:28pm
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