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So not too long ago I purchased and set up my new rig.
I didn't get much time to OC it and play with it, till recently, and once I started to get down to the nitty-gritty, I noticed the memory I had purchased was faulty.
I had bought myself 8GB of G.Skill Trident X 2400Mhz ram, for my 3570K/Asus P8Z77-V PRO combo, and stupidly voided my warranty by removing the stickers off of them before I had even ran memtest and other tests like IBT, Prime etc..(I know..I know...I'll chalk that one down to 'live and learn'..I was more concerned with aesthetics at the time, then proper procedure).
Now I've been umming and ahhring about what ram to get this time round as a replacement, I had heard good things about the G.Skill Trident X 4gb sticks, but I've been looking at alternative brands due to my habit of being 'once bitten, twice shy' and I've now been thinking about Corsair Platinum sticks, I've read some good things about this ram, the idea of hand picked IC's sits well with me also.
Now this is my question to you all..would it be a wise idea to source myself a Corsair Platinum 2800Mhz C11 8GB kit, and try to underclock the ram and tighten the timings up in the process?, or just try my hand at another G.Skill kit?, something like the 2666Mhz kit, its hard to find exotic memory kits in Australia, I do believe that's about as high a kit I can find in the G.Skill line-up.
I also see a lot of good things about the Samsung low profile sticks being OC'ing demons, but I don't believe I can source them here in Aus, and am currently looking for a vendor that ships to Aus.
Your opinions and input on the matter would be highly appreciated.
    
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Well maybe you could dumpster dive a bit and find the stickers. That is option 1

Option 2 is play around with the ram setting to try and get them stable.

Option 3 is to ask yourself why on god's green earth do you need anything more than 1600mhz memory.

Option 4 after asking yourself why you need such high speed memory, simply turn your ram down to 1600mhz at 8-8-8-20 at 1.5v and have yourself a good day.

Option 5 See if you can find some samsung memory and just overclock that instead. I don't know if it is available in austrailia, but who knows. I got mine up to 2400mhz and I spent 60USD for 16gb of the stuff : )

Option 6 go for the dominator platinum ram.
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Unfortunately the stickers are long gone, and I've tried quite a bit to get this ram stable, it wont play nice on stock XMP settings, it wont even play nice at 1600Mhz, I'm getting random BSOD's and when I run Prime or IBT it also BSOD's, it wont pass memtest either, so I think its safe to say that its faulty.
Now normally I would agree, there's no real world benefit to me to go above 1600Mhz ram, but where is the fun in that? I was under the impression that the memory controller on IB liked high speed ram in conjunction with overclocking the CPU, so I was looking for as high a balance between Mhz and tight CAS timings as I could get, to see if I could push past the 4.8Ghz wall I've hit on my chip at the moment, it mite not even end up helping, it mite be the motherboard hindering it, or the limitations of the chip in the end, I don't know as of yet, and I would like to experiment with it more.
    
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Unfortunately the stickers are long gone, and I've tried quite a bit to get this ram stable, it wont play nice on stock XMP settings, it wont even play nice at 1600Mhz, I'm getting random BSOD's and when I run Prime or IBT it also BSOD's, it wont pass memtest either, so I think its safe to say that its faulty.
Now normally I would agree, there's no real world benefit to me to go above 1600Mhz ram, but where is the fun in that? I was under the impression that the memory controller on IB liked high speed ram in conjunction with overclocking the CPU, so I was looking for as high a balance between Mhz and tight CAS timings as I could get, to see if I could push past the 4.8Ghz wall I've hit on my chip at the moment, it mite not even end up helping, it mite be the motherboard hindering it, or the limitations of the chip in the end, I don't know as of yet, and I would like to experiment with it more.

High ram speeds won't help break that wall. I have done just about everything in my power to break that wall myself. I can run my i7 3770K at 4.9ghz, but it is really on the bleeding edge of just being plain stupid. You would need a thermo electric based cooler to break that 4.8ghz wall.

The IMC on ivy bridge can SUPPORT higher speeds. It doesn't necessarily like them. You still run into the issue of having ram that is above 1.5v which requires a bit more CPU voltage to keep it stable. In fact, the best thing in terms of ram to break that wall is in fact to have low voltage ram.

To wrap up my point of view, the best thing going for you is to get some samsung ram (somehow, someway) and go for 1600mhz at 8-8-8-20 at the lowest voltage possible (~1.4v for me)
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Alright, time to go hunting for some of these samsung sticks, thank you for the advice thumb.gif, most of my overclocking experience has been on the 775 and 1366 sockets, and I'm not too familiar with fine tuning on Z77/IB, and I can see your reasoning for lower voltage ram, my 3570k gets pretty hot under load at 1.4V, and I would not like to up the voltage any higher, I already hit about 85c when running IBT, which is more than I'd like to be seeing.
    
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Alright, time to go hunting for some of these samsung sticks, thank you for the advice thumb.gif, most of my overclocking experience has been on the 775 and 1366 sockets, and I'm not too familiar with fine tuning on Z77/IB, and I can see your reasoning for lower voltage ram, my 3570k gets pretty hot under load at 1.4V, and I would not like to up the voltage any higher, I already hit about 85c when running IBT, which is more than I'd like to be seeing.

Oh I hear you loud and clear. My first real overclocking experience was on my i7 950, so I had the same culture shock as you. You really have to have a high end board and a lucky cpu to get anything more than 4.8ghz out of these chips. However, I think I may be able to help push you over the 4.8 edge. I think you are missing some crucial factors in overclocking your chip.

IBT is known to really hand IB chips their @ss. It has to deal with the code of that particular stress test and how it works with the ivy bridge chips. In essence, it is simply so unrealistic that it borderlines stupidity. If you go with the latest version of OCCT or prime 95, it is more realistic. I like to think of it as IBT likes to put the chip at 110% load where as prime 95 and OCCT stick to 100%.

Also, make sure that you try to lower your cpu PLL voltage as much as possible and turn your LCC up to extreme to minimize the vdroop. You should then be able to shave some voltage off your CPU.

Also, are you using any type of "extreme" thermal compound for your water block like indigo extreme or the cool laboratory stuff? Going from artic silver 5 to indigo extreme saved me almost 5 degrees. Also, throwing and accurate water temperature thermometer in your loop can tell you if your water is getting as close to ambient temperature as possible. They are like 5 bucks and can really help you determine if you are getting the most performance out of your loop.

Lastly, try to maximize the airflow on the VRM and mossfets, or better yet, throw them under water. The hotter those components get, the less efficient they become, and the less stable your OC becomes.
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I had heard very similar things to what you have said about IBT, I was mainly using it because I had read it utilizes ram well and is a sure fire measure of testing for instability in an OC.
I will have to check on my PLL (cant seem to remember what I had set it at), and I think my LCC is only on high, so I could up it some more, also I'm using Gelid GC Extreme, I bought it to use it on my GPU water block mostly, I have used Indigo on my old i7 950 previously, but I didn't bother with it on this new build, but I think I mite give it another try now that I've seen how it runs with the GC Extreme, I will be able to see comparative results, I mite also add a temp sensor into the loop somewhere before it hits the CPU block, I've been thinking about making a new loop altogether and using an Aquero XT for some more in-depth monitoring, though its a tad bit pricey.
Thanks for the tips, I'll give these things a try some time soon, I'm currently verifying whether or not I can buy 8gb of this Samsung ram off of amazon, if so I will be very pleased, because it seems to be non-existent in Australia.
    
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I had heard very similar things to what you have said about IBT, I was mainly using it because I had read it utilizes ram well and is a sure fire measure of testing for instability in an OC.
I will have to check on my PLL (cant seem to remember what I had set it at), and I think my LCC is only on high, so I could up it some more, also I'm using Gelid GC Extreme, I bought it to use it on my GPU water block mostly, I have used Indigo on my old i7 950 previously, but I didn't bother with it on this new build, but I think I mite give it another try now that I've seen how it runs with the GC Extreme, I will be able to see comparative results, I mite also add a temp sensor into the loop somewhere before it hits the CPU block, I've been thinking about making a new loop altogether and using an Aquero XT for some more in-depth monitoring, though its a tad bit pricey.
Thanks for the tips, I'll give these things a try some time soon, I'm currently verifying whether or not I can buy 8gb of this Samsung ram off of amazon, if so I will be very pleased, because it seems to be non-existent in Australia.

Yeah, all of the stress testers stress the memory also. That is standard.

Lowering the PLL as much as possible will save a degree or two.

LLC should be on extreme, but keep in mind that this does add volts. For me it adds 0.5v, so if I want 1.4v, I have to set it to 1.35v and set LLC to extreme. But I have no vdroop which means greater voltage precision smile.gif

As for the monitor, I would say that is a tad unnecessary. You really just need something cheap that works. Or if you want something that looks cool, I guess you can't go wrong biggrin.gif

I don't know why samsung ram isn't made more available. It is widely popular and successful where ever it is sold, so I am confused as to why it isn't sold everywhere.
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to me it sounds like the processor isnt handling 2400mhz. the ram is probably fine.
    
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