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Tell me something. How would cheapest boards have Best VRM? Best cost more money. Its not like you can just pick and chose any component and then just plug in to a PCB to make your own Mobo. Everything is already bolted on and soldered on, so what you see is what you get.

In other words;

A $50 Mobo will have 6 VRMs that are $1 each.
A $200 Mobo will have 10 VRM's that are $2 each.
A $500 Mobo will have 24 VRMs that are $5 each.


Most of the components are made by same companies. Then a company like Asus or MSI buys them, and puts them together at their factory. Now who does a better job at gluing parts together at lowest child lobor rate, is the the brand that makes better boards at competitive price.


At the end of the day, you need to chose a Mobo based on your Priority, what you will be using your PC mainly for, what your needs are, not what you wants are. What you want costs money. You can either eat a steak for $50 at restaurant, or eat same steak at home for $10.
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Typical customer would choice something that looks nice, and offers most features. Also something that is reliable.

So... is the typical customer just an idiot? I mean many people buy ibuypowers and prebuilts and alienwares... Even on enthusiast places like this... so many stupid people.

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Tell me something. How would cheapest boards have Best VRM? Best cost more money. Its not like you can just pick and chose any component and then just plug in to a PCB to make your own Mobo. Everything is already bolted on and soldered on, so what you see is what you get.

So say you want to buy the cheapest motherboard possible. There is no 1 cheapest motherboard, usually it's about 10-20 motherboards to choose from that are $39.99, and maybe 40 motherboards +/- $5-10 from there. Which one do you choose?

You choose the one, of those motherboards, that has the best VRM, in that price range. Or, you spend a little bit more, to get a vastly improved VRM.

IE there are 3 $40 motherboards:
3+1 with solid caps
3 with solid caps
3+1 with electrolytic caps

Which one do you pick? ez.

I think your a bit confused though.
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As long as he did his choose knowing what he is loosing, I wouldn't call him an idiot. Some people won't overclock. Some people buy Z77 boards with locked CPUs simply because most H and B boards are trash. Since they won't/can't overclock, they can as well get something that has better audio, more SATA ports and etc. that they will actually have use for.

Solid cap is something that a typical customer should be looking for since it increases the lifespan of the board.
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Depends on features. Im not going to buy a mobo that only has pci slots and best VRMs.

If i want to sli then i will buy a mobo that can do sli, even it has worst VRMs.

If i want an sli and best vrms, then i would have to pay more money. You cant have best of everything on a cheap mobo. That is why there are 3 $40 mobos. Each one has diferent components, VRMs and features.
Edited by KGB7 - 12/2/12 at 1:07pm
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It seems to me there are 2 types of overclockers - those who find overclocking as an expensive hobby, and those who use overclocking as a way to save a ton of money. I see plenty of people here at OCN who take cheapass **** and mod them to something spectacular, from sticking washers on HSF mounting kits to improve performance to sanding heatsinks to creating custom loops out of lclc.
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Depends on features. Im not going to buy a mobo that only has pci slots and best VRMs.

If i want to sli then i will buy a mobo that can do sli, even it has worst VRMs.

If i want an sli and best vrms, then i would have to pay more money. You cant have best of everything on a cheap mobo. That is why there are 3 $40 mobos. Each one has diferent components, VRMs and features.

I meant PCI-E x16 2.0 slots. I dont think you follow what I say well.

Thanks for the help people.

TLDR:

Not overclocking: Buy the cheapest motherboard with the right holes and chipset, and best VRM per pricepoint, but it's not worth spending more for the VRM.
Overclocking: Buy the cheapest motherboard with the right holes and chipset, and best VRM per pricepoint, and a better VRM can be worth the money depending on your needs.
Extreme Overclocking: Features become the deciding factor because every motherboard with high-end extreme overclocking features will have an awesome VRM, generally.

Brand/warranty/service, sata/usb/ports, onboard audio, board setup, color, and other things can influence a purchase, but shouldn't be chosen to the detriment of the VRM when doing standard overclocking.
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It seems to me there are 2 types of overclockers - those who find overclocking as an expensive hobby, and those who use overclocking as a way to save a ton of money. I see plenty of people here at OCN who take cheapass **** and mod them to something spectacular, from sticking washers on HSF mounting kits to improve performance to sanding heatsinks to creating custom loops out of lclc.
I meant PCI-E x16 2.0 slots. I dont think you follow what I say well.
Thanks for the help people.
TLDR:
Not overclocking: Buy the cheapest motherboard with the right holes and chipset, and best VRM per pricepoint, but it's not worth spending more for the VRM.
Overclocking: Buy the cheapest motherboard with the right holes and chipset, and best VRM per pricepoint, and a better VRM can be worth the money depending on your needs.
Extreme Overclocking: Features become the deciding factor because every motherboard with high-end extreme overclocking features will have an awesome VRM, generally.
Brand/warranty/service, sata/usb/ports, onboard audio, board setup, color, and other things can influence a purchase, but shouldn't be chosen to the detriment of the VRM when doing standard overclocking.

Im following you just fine.

What you havent realized, is that if you want a mobo with BEST VRM's, then it will cost a lot more money. And best VRM's wont be found on a cheap or middle class mobo. This is why we have mobos that are $60 and mobos that are $500.

There is no $100 mobo with $90 worth of VRM's. Its like trying to buy a Civic with Ferrari engine, no one sells that. You can custom build it, but it will cost you A LOT of money.

What you dont understand, as to why we have cheap mobos, and expensive mobos.
Cheap mobos, get cheap parts with least features. Expensive mobos, get best of everything with most features. Simply because, Better and Best costs MONEY $$. The better parts you want, the more money you have to pay.


And last but not least. I have said this before and ill say it again. You cant buy any VRM's by them selfs( cheap or best) and plug them in to any mobo. The price of mobo dictates what kind of VRMs you get and what features you get.
I know you can buy VRM's, but you cant swap them out like tires on a car. It would be nice if that was possible.

.
Edited by KGB7 - 12/2/12 at 9:58pm
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I'm not talking about best VRMs. I'm saying you got 20 motherboards at $40, the cheapest price point, or $50, slightly more, whatever. Which one do you choose? You choose the motherboard with the best VRM at $40-50 with the right socket, pci-e slots, and chipset.

And every $35 motherboard AM3 might be 3+1 phase and ****, but for just $5 more, you can find a 4+1, which would be worth it. or maybe, one of the $35 motherboards does not use nikos mosfets, so that would be the one to get, or maybe it has an 8 pin CPU power port, so you get that instead. thats what I mean.

I understand why certain motherboards are more expensive than others perfectly fine.

My confusion arose to my unfamiliarity with Intel, and what someone said about intel (whom, it seems, turned out to be wrong, or at least not completely correct), and that even with Intel, despite how low their TDP is, you should pick an Intel board with the best VRM, just like you should with a hot running AM3 hexacore system.

Again, I'll say, I dont think you really understand what I've been saying or following the conversation. It's okay though, thanks for trying, this thread can be closed basically, I got my answer, very helpful.
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I'm not talking about best VRMs. I'm saying you got 20 motherboards at $40, the cheapest price point, or $50, slightly more, whatever. Which one do you choose? You choose the motherboard with the best VRM at $40-50 with the right socket, pci-e slots, and chipset.


There is no best VRM at low price point. 15 years ago, all VRM were the same.
10 years ago all VRM were the same.
Cheap mobos have cheap VRM. There is no best VRM at low price point, They are all the same.

The $40 mobo and $60 mobo will have same VRMs, i have said it several times.



OK. Think of it this way.

Mobo = Car.
VRM = Tires.

Toyota Corolla = Mobo
Honda Civic = Mobo

Which one do you chose?? Civic or Corolla?
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It seems to me there are 2 types of overclockers - those who find overclocking as an expensive hobby, and those who use overclocking as a way to save a ton of money. I see plenty of people here at OCN who take cheapass **** and mod them to something spectacular, from sticking washers on HSF mounting kits to improve performance to sanding heatsinks to creating custom loops out of lclc.

True but currently, on the vast majority of Z68/Z77 Intel mobos, you will not just be able to do simple volt mods like the good ol' days of the LGA 775 (not saying it can not be done). Quite frankly, it's not necessary because Intel price their mobos based on the capabilities & quality of the mobo.

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Not overclocking: Buy the cheapest motherboard with the right holes and chipset, and best VRM per pricepoint, but it's not worth spending more for the VRM.

This is what you should say regarding to Intel (at least)...
If your not an OCer, just buy the cheapest mobo that will get the job done. Regarding to quality, you get what you pay for.
If you are a low to mid-range OCer, buy the mobo that has the capabilities that will provide you the range of that desired OC. $100 mobo can handle that business but again, you get what you pay for & some people don't mind spending the extra ca$h to have better quality components/better overall design mobo...It all comes down to what you are using it for & to what extent are you pushing that mobo.
If you are an extreme OCer, you know what you need to look for wink.gif
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Brand/warranty/service, sata/usb/ports, onboard audio, board setup, color, and other things can influence a purchase...

Everything you have stated is true but subjective to the purchaser's needs.
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...but shouldn't be chosen to the detriment of the VRM when doing standard overclocking.

Trust me when I say this, most people don't but it's nice for people to understand the importance of it so at least they know what their buying. Some people care to know, some don't. Will it make people buy the mobo that has the better VRM or "the better built mobo?" Of course not but they'll have more info that will make them consider it...And if the individual know how to shop, they will see that he/she can buy the better designed mobo for the price of the lower priced mobo with the lesser quality mobo components.

Forget all the car comparison crap and ask yourself this question. Would you like to know what's better out there that you can have if you can buy a better mobo for basically the almost the same or same price as the mobo with less quality components ?
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...you should pick an Intel board with the best VRM...

Personally for myself, I prefer an OCing mobo that has the better quality onboard components while spending as less as possible. I know how to make that happen...My secret...Be patient & seek for the awesome deal...Works all the time for me thumb.gif
Edited by drBlahMan - 12/3/12 at 4:26am
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