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Haven't used Antivirus myself, clean my PC with Malwarebytes a couple of times a year, not because it needs it, just to be sure.
And if you absolutely have to poke around porn sites,. use VM's.

What bro?


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I think you guys are all paranoid. Windows 8 Defender and MSE have always done alright by me. You can go on and on and say "herp derp, you need protection herp derp, being smart isn't enough". It is, I've been doing it for years. MSE works fine for everyday usage. You can go on and on about how I'm wrong etc. I've been doing this for 20+ years. The first line of defense is the user. REAL WORLD performance of MSE is adequate.
Besides, why would I install ad-supported free antivrus' or PAY for an antivirus that hinders my startup time even by a millisecond? That's time, time is money. Hell with that.
Also, stop recommending "internet security" products. They are all bloated and overkill for anyone who knows what they are doing. I STRICTLY use Anti Virus products only.

I get paid to be paranoid, guess you have never worked in a professional position where patient medical and personal data is at risk all of the time. It's my job to make sure everything is locked down, updated, and protected by inside and outside attacks and viruses. Someone could slip a infected USB drive into one of the mobile computers in the ER room or the computers in offices, or could gain access by the free wifi setup for the waiting areas, so we have to be on the look out and ready for anything. I've seen the dark side of the net myself and know just how easy it is to infect people and get around most AV's, the ones that are difficult to slip by are Avira, Avast, Bit Defender and Kaspersky, F-Secure, Panda, the ones that are simplest to slip by are: MSE, AVG, Norton, McAfee, Technet.
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I get paid to be paranoid, guess you have never worked in a professional position where patient medical and personal data is at risk all of the time. It's my job to make sure everything is locked down, updated, and protected by inside and outside attacks and viruses. Someone could slip a infected USB drive into one of the mobile computers in the ER room or the computers in offices, or could gain access by the free wifi setup for the waiting areas, so we have to be on the look out and ready for anything. I've seen the dark side of the net myself and know just how easy it is to infect people and get around most AV's, the ones that are difficult to slip by are Avira, Avast, Bit Defender and Kaspersky, F-Secure, Panda, the ones that are simplest to slip by are: MSE, AVG, Norton, McAfee, Technet.

I read somewhere that malware infection of medical equipment is a pretty big problem. I commend you for your efforts.
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I get paid to be paranoid, guess you have never worked in a professional position where patient medical and personal data is at risk all of the time. It's my job to make sure everything is locked down, updated, and protected by inside and outside attacks and viruses. Someone could slip a infected USB drive into one of the mobile computers in the ER room or the computers in offices, or could gain access by the free wifi setup for the waiting areas, so we have to be on the look out and ready for anything. I've seen the dark side of the net myself and know just how easy it is to infect people and get around most AV's, the ones that are difficult to slip by are Avira, Avast, Bit Defender and Kaspersky, F-Secure, Panda, the ones that are simplest to slip by are: MSE, AVG, Norton, McAfee, Technet.

I'm talking about real world, every day consumer usage. What you're talking about..instead of worrying about software security, you should focus on closing off the network, like we do at the office here. No offense, but if you're worrying about software security, I think you're overpaid.
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I get paid to be paranoid, guess you have never worked in a professional position where patient medical and personal data is at risk all of the time. It's my job to make sure everything is locked down, updated, and protected by inside and outside attacks and viruses. Someone could slip a infected USB drive into one of the mobile computers in the ER room or the computers in offices, or could gain access by the free wifi setup for the waiting areas, so we have to be on the look out and ready for anything. I've seen the dark side of the net myself and know just how easy it is to infect people and get around most AV's, the ones that are difficult to slip by are Avira, Avast, Bit Defender and Kaspersky, F-Secure, Panda, the ones that are simplest to slip by are: MSE, AVG, Norton, McAfee, Technet.

Dud you should be moving that info to Linux or something else that doesn't have a welcome mat for "run whatever you like". I never understood why such important system are running a heavy and painfully uncustomizable OS like Windows.
     
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I'm talking about real world, every day consumer usage. What you're talking about..instead of worrying about software security, you should focus on closing off the network, like we do at the office here. No offense, but if you're worrying about software security, I think you're overpaid.
Underpaid?, who are you tell me what I should or should not be paid? if anything I'm under paid for the amount of time I put into making sure patient data and records are safe. The system is lock down with public, private, secure, and system admin networks. The mobile computers in the ER pull patient data from the database servers in real time with the software they have running and I have to make sure those computers are secured and the network is locked down. A little over a couple years ago my account on here was compromised due to someone using a java drive on here, and I had MSE installed at the time and everyone else said there was a virus and I wasn't picking anything up as they were using Avast and other AV's that picked it up. Some months later the person that used my account login to spread an infected text file with fake Star Craft II keys to infect others and grab more account details and that is what drove me to learn about network security and CCNP as I already had my CCNA and just got CEH certified a few months ago.
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Dud you should be moving that info to Linux or something else that doesn't have a welcome mat for "run whatever you like". I never understood why such important system are running a heavy and painfully uncustomizable OS like Windows.

I'm not in charge of that decision, the system is lock down, it's just if someone gains access to an internal system all hell could break lose. Before I started working there, someone got access and started changing patient info and changed medicine for one patient to something that they were fatally allergic to, luckily the doctor caught it in time before giving it to them. Stuff like that is why the hospital needs people like me around to make sure stuff like that doesn't happen.

Protip for Firefox users: type about:config in the address bar look for and disable browser disk.cache not only does this speed up browsing by eliminating the browser using the hard drive or ssd, but it eliminates possible infections from popping up as temp files in the cache folder.
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This made me reconsider nod32 5.2
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Flawed statement of the week. The guilt factor is absurd and blatantly false, and as to doing something unusual, it depends on what you consider unusual. If using popular sites or programs (Flash and Java come to mind) that may get targeted because they are, well, popular, is unusual, just like Windows is targeted more than Linux because of their user base, then I guess the majority of people are at risk, and no, it's not only a matter of using common sense.

And sure, because nothing besides the Internet exists, you don't get flash drives from friends or work collegues.

I don't have java installed, I don't use other flash drives but mine
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I don't have java installed, I don't use other flash drives but mine

And you only use your flash drive on one computer, right?
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I use to use AVG, until they went all feature crazy like Norton, so i went to avast. After a while i found as long as i browse intelligently and use Adblock, i haven't had any major issues.
Thats not to say there may not be something on my pc that i dont know about, but the last time i had a major issue was before i started using adblock.
I actually got a virus through a malicious ad that somehow found its way to this site....

I remember that ad on this site. That is one short time period that OCN will never forget. The mods were quick to fix it for us.
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