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I have a 6 month license for NOD32, but I am sad to see it falling lower on the charts. frown.gif
Seems Kaspersky is still going strong, I might have to give them another go, but I still have a personal grudge against them from a couple of years back when their Internet Suite limited internet speeds as an 'anti-botnet' 'feature', which was next to impossible to turn off. Hopefully they removed that by now.
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

and I've said for ages that MSE is trash based on these tests but the fanboys still refused to listen.
The best legally free ones are AVG Free and Avast Free. As Avast has been nagware as of late, I'd go for AVG Free.

Haven't tried those lately (in years), but I can't take these results seriously.
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Originally Posted by AV-TEST 
1. Protection against 0-day malware attacks, inclusive of web and e-mail threats (Real-World Testing)
Samples used: 102

2. Detection of a representative set of malware discovered in the last 2-3 months (AV-TEST reference set)
Samples used: 272,799

3. Detection of widespread and prevalent malware (according to AV-TEST data)
Samples used: 5,000

Its just that 102 seems like a very low sample to me, especially compared to the rest of the tests. Apparently those remaining 272.799 were detected 100% of the time. I don't see myself removing MSE because of this, at least until I see some more reliable testing.

I use a combination of four separate programs, Comodo Firewall and MSE (24/7), Spybot S&D regularly and MBAM monthly (on a schedule). So far I have yet to run into any sort of complications. Also, proper common sense when using a computer will help you more than the best AV suite.

1 - Don't run unknown .exe files
2 - If the same program is available on a more reliable site, use that one instead
3 - If its too good to be true its a virus
4 - You are NOT the 1.000.000 viewer, the prize is a LIE (just use adblock+)
5 - NO, you can't lose that much weight / enlarge your d*** / get a free iPad
6 - If you really must run it then sandbox it
7 - If a program that isn't supposed (or you don't trust) to have access to your internet connection / user settings / etc asks for it, deny and uninstall
8 - Never select default installation, always select Advanced Installation so you don't get flooded with free toolbars / crapware
9 - Learn how to google efficiently (most of the time its how you come to shady sites, by googling the wrong terms) and by the results on the search page, at a glance, tell if that site is of interest or if it just has a list of random tags with your search terms on it
10 - Before you click a link, see where it leads to by checking the bottom of the page, be wary of random links or comments even on reputable sites

This should be common knowledge to everyone near a computer (except maybe the sandbox part, but hopefully we're getting there).
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Agreed, 102 samples is not good test.
    
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I still use MSE at home; well Defender now, actually. I can't stand all of the bling and pizzazz of most of the other AV products, and most of them include features that I really, really do not want (link scanners and junk like that). We use Symantec Endpoint at work, and that's about as much of a performance hog as AV can get. Once it starts a scan I might as well go to lunch, because I certainly can't do any work. It eats my HDD alive.

Alternatively I can kill the process and pray that when it starts itself back up again a few seconds later that it doesn't also restart the scan biggrin.gif
    
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Haven't tried those lately (in years), but I can't take these results seriously.
Its just that 102 seems like a very low sample to me, especially compared to the rest of the tests. Apparently those remaining 272.799 were detected 100% of the time. I don't see myself removing MSE because of this, at least until I see some more reliable testing.
I use a combination of four separate programs, Comodo Firewall and MSE (24/7), Spybot S&D regularly and MBAM monthly (on a schedule). So far I have yet to run into any sort of complications. Also, proper common sense when using a computer will help you more than the best AV suite.
1 - Don't run unknown .exe files
2 - If the same program is available on a more reliable site, use that one instead
3 - If its too good to be true its a virus
4 - You are NOT the 1.000.000 viewer, the prize is a LIE (just use adblock+)
5 - NO, you can't lose that much weight / enlarge your d*** / get a free iPad
6 - If you really must run it then sandbox it
7 - If a program that isn't supposed (or you don't trust) to have access to your internet connection / user settings / etc asks for it, deny and uninstall
8 - Never select default installation, always select Advanced Installation so you don't get flooded with free toolbars / crapware
9 - Learn how to google efficiently (most of the time its how you come to shady sites, by googling the wrong terms) and by the results on the search page, at a glance, tell if that site is of interest or if it just has a list of random tags with your search terms on it
10 - Before you click a link, see where it leads to by checking the bottom of the page, be wary of random links or comments even on reputable sites
This should be common knowledge to everyone near a computer (except maybe the sandbox part, but hopefully we're getting there).

When you've dealt with as many clients as I have that know bugger all about computers, you'll see why your post is much easier said than done. People are just thick, ignorant and simply just won't do, or know how to do, those things.

I wish it were as black and white as your outline. It isn't.
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People are just thick, ignorant and simply just won't do, or know how to do, those things.

Hell, this.

I'm dealing with a vicious cycle of computer repairs. I get the same computers every two-three months, again full of crap everywhere.

People just won't freaking learn doh.gif
   
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I have MalwareBytes PRO and MSE. Maybe i should switch MSE for Kaspersky?
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People just won't freaking learn doh.gif

I know two people personally who have almost fallen for web pages skinned as some sort of Windows XP virus scan telling them about the 4000 infections they've got. The fact that they were running Windows 7 and that this fake interface looked completely different didn't even occur to them. Luckily they were just sceptical enough to call me before doing anything.
    
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I know two people personally who have almost fallen for web pages skinned as some sort of Windows XP virus scan telling them about the 4000 infections they've got. The fact that they were running Windows 7 and that this fake interface looked completely different didn't even occur to them. Luckily they were just sceptical enough to call me before doing anything.

Me too, I find that absolutely hilarious!
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Every other AV is a joke compared to MSE
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