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Every "all in one" virus program is a joke. I'm a computer technician dealing almost exclusively with infections. AVG, windows defender, avast, mcaffee etc.. will never keep you protected from sirefef, fbi virus, alleurion. etc. My customers are always whining about their virus scanners "not working right." I haven't had a real time virus scanner in years and have never once had a problem with a virus, trojan, etc.. One solution to all virus', learn to browse the web responsibly. It's really not that hard, if you aren't sure what your clicking on or downloading, then don't do it.
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It's all very well and good ridiculing people, but there's probably a fair amount who don't know what they are, I'm certainly one of them.

So what are they? A more well informed internet is a safer internet.

Oh and on a final note, been using MSE since, well, a good couple of years now. Never had a problem yet.

I'll do my best to explain what they mean by 0-day, though the term can be kind of ambiguous. To start with, there are (in my mind) two main classes of malware - malware that is just an executable program, and a program that contains a technical exploit. The first category is what most viruses are - they aren't anything interesting technically, they just rely on a user making a mistake and downloading something they shouldn't have. It is NOT THE OPERATING SYSTEM'S JOB to take care of infections like this. People make fun of Windows all the time, but most of the malware for it is actually not due to any flaws in Windows at all. In fact, Microsoft is an industry leader in code auditing and security practices.

The second category is more interesting. These rely on exploiting flaws in other programs (this could be Windows, a browser, or any other program). If anyone's interested and is willing to dig through C/Asm, these flaws are things like stack overflows, heap vulnerabilities, format string vulnerabilities, etc. A 0-day is one of these technical vulnerabilities that is not yet publicly known. So, usually, somebody discovers a vulnerability in a piece of software and either a) discloses it to the company or the public, or b) makes a piece of malware to exploit the vulnerability. If the person does the second category, it is considered a 0-day vulnerability when it first comes out.


Now, as it relates to this test. The 0-days they refer to are almost certainly not actual 0-day vulnerabilities, as these sell for upwards of 6-figures each if they are important, but are probably instead exploits that are publicly known but haven't yet been patched. These are actually rarer than might be expected and require much more effort to test than just downloading a sample of existing malware, so having as small sample size is to be expected.
Edited by Waffleboy - 11/30/12 at 6:06pm
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If you're complaining that 102 is a small sample size, then you obviously don't know what 0day exploits are. biggrin.gif

I know what they are. Doesn't change the fact that they are only 102 compared to over 20 thousand. I understand they're few in number and hard to get a large sample size, but for my personal computing, I don't care, its too small a number for me to bother with, and even if I stumble upon a site with one of those I doubt I'll be screwed anyways. Not trying to defend anything here, and I haven't really checked other AV Tests, however like I said I use a combination of 4 different programs, because relying on a single piece of software for security is, IMO, not worth it. If you're getting software to protect your PC might as well go all the way, yes? That way even if one has a problem the others make up for it.

Now, paying for AV in this day and age is, to me, rather outdated, as far as personal computing goes (companies require dedicated assistance and a more complete service that needs to be paid for).
Lots of free alternatives really.
post #74 of 237
I can see some concern there but if what people are finding, works, then that's great for them.

I've used a combination of Firewall + MSE, Spybot, Trojan Remover, and maybe Malwarebytes if I really have to dig through everything.

Very rarely have had a virus and haven't had do major reformatting in years.
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MSE is absolutely horrible and the bare minimum anyone should be running out of the box. The scanner is also extremely slow. Many use it because its from MS and its free. Does not mean its good or can compare to other products.
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BTW, not sure if people are aware but you can submit samples to Microsoft for analysis. If they find it to be malware they'll update their signatures for MSE, FEP, etc. https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Submission/Submit.aspx
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MSE is fine for me and many that I know use it. If you are one of the idiots out there dont know what you are doing on the internet. Then no matter what virus software you use will help.
That Antivirus XP/2010/2011/2012/2013 so called fake virus software, I havent seen one virus software that will stop it 100%.
    
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As someone else said, the best AV is in your Brain.

I don't care what you have installed on your PC's if you go certain paces on the Internet, You will catch VD devil.gif /cough, I mean your PC will get infected. biggrin.gif Mods please edit if I've strained the limits of sarcasm wink.gif

And we all have made those stupid mistakes at one time or another and ended up in Russia or Korea and learned that lesson where you can be the first zero day customer, trying to get "That file or software". And "Nothing" protects against that.
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As someone else said, the best AV is in your Brain.
I don't care what you have installed on your PC's if you go certain paces on the Internet, You will catch VD devil.gif /cough, I mean your PC will get infected. biggrin.gif Mods please edit if I've strained the limits of sarcasm wink.gif
And we all have made those stupid mistakes at one time or another and ended up in Russia or Korea and learned that lesson where you can be the first zero day customer, trying to get "That file or software". And "Nothing" protects against that.

I'll have to try this new software Brain Antivirus. What version of Brain will protect you from a drive-by download when your News or Shopping site has finally been hacked and you're redirected to malware, and what version of Brain will protect you from an infected attachment that slips by your email provider's antivirus scanner because it didn't detect it? After all, Yahoo scanned it with Norton, so it must be safe...biggrin.gif

You don't even have to go out of your way to find trouble, trouble finds you eventually. Browsing safe doesn't mean a thing.
Edited by aweir - 11/30/12 at 11:07pm
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So Microsoft thinks, "we'll make the software, cover all the known viruses up till now, release it and not have to update because nobody makes new viruses"?
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