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I'm very happy that I get F-secure internet security for free with my isp. Does its job and feels pretty lightweight.
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This really isn't a big deal, they lost it before to Av-test(Unofficial lab). Here's an article from a much more authoritative source on the subject of network security. Also, nothing is 100% safe and it will never ever be, unless you unplug your network cord.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/30/microsoft_security_essentials_loses_av_test_certification/
I knew I remembered them from somewhere.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/09/anti_virus_testing/


God that's a wonderful article. +rep for posting it. I will say this. I'd trust the developer of the OS to update their AV more than 3rd parties who may not understand the OS that well.

Remember Mcaffee? a few years back one of their own definition updates caused a windows32 file that was required to boot windows as a virus and deleted it overnight while 30 million computers were running it. Did I make a lot of money because of that? Yes I did. But think about how much money businesses lost. How much productivity was lost by those businesses. Because they trusted Mcaffee to do the job correctly. here is what I am talking about quoting from the article.
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The other areas that failed to impress the team at AV-TEST was the less than stellar way that Security Essentials handled the removal of "critical system modifications" with a repair score of only 3.5 out of 6.

Yeah the way Mcaffee, Norton, and others do it is they remove the damned file. Well if its a pretty critical Effing file you better have a better way to do it. I'll trust the makers of the OS to know better what to do when critical files are in trouble than some AV companies who have ALL had issues with this. Issues like deleting a critical file needed for the OS and the OS not working anymore. I also love how we have to look up the study ourselves. We aren't linked to it in the report.
 
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Malware still exists? I thought that stuff was eradicated decades ago rolleyes.gif

you have to be doing something wrong or unusual to get malware these days anyways. I mean the only things I download are from Steam or freeware/Open Source software .exe's
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Drive-by infections? Very rare. The infections you talk about are stuff that comes out of DEF CON conventions. Sure, it's possible, in the digital world anything is, but it's not as likely to happen as you make it out to be.

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In a nut shell, here is what happened the past few days.

During a presentation/demonstration of HitmanPro on Wednesday afternoon we visited the NU.nl website (www.nu.nl) to explain our UTM ad blocking technology. With millions of visitors each day, NU.nl is one of the most visited websites in The Netherlands. During this demonstration, the website tried to infect us (and all its other visitors) with malware. Our security engineers investigated the infection and it turned out that an exploit on NU.nl was silently installing the Sinowal banking trojan on computers of its visitors. Cybercriminals had somehow been able to steal the login credentials of the CMS. We first informed NU.nl so they could remove the exploit from their web site and prevent further infections.

Security specialist Fox-IT (www.foxit.nl) estimated that over 100,000 computers in The Netherlands were infected with the malware. The cybercriminals released the exploit during lunch hours, which is a peak time for the popular NU.nl news site.

source: https://hitmanpro.wordpress.com/

The best malware, as noted by the above link, is very complex and invisible to the end user. Those who say 'common sense' is the only form of security are deluding themselves. It's a form of security, but a far from foolproof one. Most malware is actually from program vulnerabilities and attacks planted on common websites like Facebook ads and as noted above, highly popular 'innocent' websites like newspaper websites. You don't have to be doing anything 'unusual' at all. The sooner that myth dies, the better.

Darkpriest, you do realise there are massive difference between OS exploits and 3rd party program exploits? Not to mention what happens to 0-day malware? MSE's heuristics engines sucks crap. Everyone knows it but MS don't bother.

Please don't tell me you use CCleaner or any other registry cleaner as well, you just contradicted your whole argument if you do as well, you'd rather trust the registry to MS right surely?
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Also, nothing is 100% safe and it will never ever be, unless you unplug your network cord.

infected USB stick wink.gif
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MSE and MBAM, If you get virus's using those 2 your doing it wrong.
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MSE and MBAM, If you get virus's using those 2 your doing it wrong.

Yeah nah. Why use an inferior product again?

Lots of people in this thread need to understand with 0-day exploits actually are and why they're important to protect against. Nobody is saying AVs are 100% effective, but hey, a condom isn't either.
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Yea I give you that. It can be a pain to disable a Windows program just to use vastly superior 3rd party software. Aka Microsoft's marketing department.

Windows Defender and MSE are automatically disabled when you install another antivirus program.

Try again.
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What's a virus?
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What's a virus?

Directly from Wiki itself...
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A virus is a small infectious agent that can replicate only inside the living cells of an organism.
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