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OP can you please run Sleeping Dogs with AA @ High no extreme. It shows CPU bottleneck much better.
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800*600 is you do see the MAX fps CPU can output. From there you know what GPU do get and what setting yo use in GPU. For example if CPU give you 70 fps and GPU give you 90fps then there is no point on lowering game setting if you want to get over 70fps cause u will not get over 70 no matter what. Also it a indication if you should OC the CPU or the GPU.

Firstly, low res benchmarks are something made up by that website and since have been thrown around like they are the final word. They have now real world applications no matter how you spin it. Instead of creating wierd off the wall benchmarks to see how a system will do in games, I have an idea how bout we actually just play those games and see how the system fairs?

The best gaming benchmark is to just play the game, end of story. That's exactly what these guys are doing, so as a moderator already said no need to talk about 800 x 600 or any other useless benchmark as no one cares.
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Will do it tomorrow, im going to spend the evening with the wife tonight, you just want crossfire bench's or both?

Both please. My 660ti is a higher end mid tier GPU on the same level as a GTX 580, so if your simulated 6300 can handle 7970's then I can trust 660tis would not be a concern, as I want to add a second one. If that makes sense at all. lol Sorry just woke up a bit ago.



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Thread cleaned.
Please keep all posts on topic.
I, the rest of staff and the members do not care if you think the results are bias, if low res benches are better or how many threads games use.

Just to remind you.
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800*600 is you do see the MAX fps CPU can output. From there you know what GPU do get and what setting yo use in GPU. For example if CPU give you 70 fps and GPU give you 90fps then there is no point on lowering game setting if you want to get over 70fps cause u will not get over 70 no matter what. Also it a indication if you should OC the CPU or the GPU.

ok well my point is, I want to know what the performance is at the resolution I play at is.... if the cpu bottlenecks at 800x600 and it doesnt even come close at 1080p then I dont really care, see my point?
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ok well my point is, I want to know what the performance is at the resolution I play at is.... if the cpu bottlenecks at 800x600 and it doesnt even come close at 1080p then I dont really care, see my point?

CPU these is days is only looked as Bottleneck when it comes to 120Hz. To get 120Hz not only you need 2 GPUs but a very fast overclocked CPU. If CPU cant deliver more then 80 fps at a certain game then you save $ buy not blowing it on multiple GPUs.
Lets say you have one card and you are getting 60-70 fps. You expect 100-120 fps once you add second card. Best way to find out is lower setting for the game you play. If you are not getting those high fps and only something like 80-90 fps then the second GPU will not help.
Most people to eliminate CPU bottleneck crank up AA. doing so GPUs hit the wall fist. Comparing CPUs this way is not a very good way to do. Lets take 2 examples.

CPU A
CPU B
Both same GPU.

Game X @ Max Settings both get ~ 70 fps.
So CPU A = CPU B end of story.

Game X @ Medium Setting CPU A get 90 fps CPU B get 80 fps.
CPU A is faster.

People here are saying because i play at those setting CPU B is as fast as CPU A end of story.
Also all the games tested work very well with CFX and are all AMD games. You need like 20-30 games to come to a conclusion 8 Core = 4 faster cores.
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why play on medium when you can play on max? isnt that the point of buying all this expencive hardware?
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why play on medium when you can play on max? isnt that the point of buying all this expencive hardware?

i think that is the point imo... redface.gif also to most people have 60hz monitors not 120hz as well. redface.gif the tests did provide great results for both sides providing great playability in single and crossfire smile.gif
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CPU these is days is only looked as Bottleneck when it comes to 120Hz. To get 120Hz not only you need 2 GPUs but a very fast overclocked CPU. If CPU cant deliver more then 80 fps at a certain game then you save $ buy not blowing it on multiple GPUs.
Lets say you have one card and you are getting 60-70 fps. You expect 100-120 fps once you add second card. Best way to find out is lower setting for the game you play. If you are not getting those high fps and only something like 80-90 fps then the second GPU will not help.
Most people to eliminate CPU bottleneck crank up AA. doing so GPUs hit the wall fist. Comparing CPUs this way is not a very good way to do. Lets take 2 examples.
CPU A
CPU B
Both same GPU.
Game X @ Max Settings both get ~ 70 fps.
So CPU A = CPU B end of story.
Game X @ Medium Setting CPU A get 90 fps CPU B get 80 fps.
CPU A is faster.
People here are saying because i play at those setting CPU B is as fast as CPU A end of story.
Also all the games tested work very well with CFX and are all AMD games. You need like 20-30 games to come to a conclusion 8 Core = 4 faster cores.

Im sorry but you are making absolutely no sense here.

Your argument seems to say.

1, 120Hz monitor there is a diff. Except not many people have or want a 120Hz monitor. And as blind tests have shown only seasoned gamers can tell the diff.

2. Games at low resolution 800 x 600 fair better on Intel. Who gives a crap no one with high end hardware will ever play on that.

3. We should all play at medium settings as to give Intel the proper advantage, instead of max settings like our rigs can handle.


I find it truley amazing that in weeks and months prior almost all Intel guys said "Intel will destroy AMD in gaming" and "AMD cpu's bottleneck higherend GPUs, specifically in crossfire/SLI"

Yet these guys are showing proof that is a bunch of B.S. Is AMD 100% superior to Intel? no not by any stretch, and nobody here has said that. They are just disprooving some of the propaganda from the Intel camp.

All these guys are showing is that a AMD 8350 will game and run high end GPU's perfectly fine.

Also, you guys seem to be getting the definition of bottleneck confused.

bot·tle·neck (btl-nk)
n.
1.
a. A narrow or obstructed section, as of a highway or a pipeline.
b. A point or an area of traffic congestion.

Meaning if the GPU usage is at anything other than 98-99% usage than you have a case. IF the GPU's on both rigs are being maxed yet Intel pulls more FPS that is not a bottleneck, it is just a architecture advantage. There is a huge difference. Intel possess the better architecture, no question, but AMD is not bottlenecking.
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Im sorry but you are making absolutely no sense here.
Your argument seems to say.
1, 120Hz monitor there is a diff. Except not many people have or want a 120Hz monitor. And as blind tests have shown only seasoned gamers can tell the diff.
2. Games at low resolution 800 x 600 fair better on Intel. Who gives a crap no one with high end hardware will ever play on that.
3. We should all play at medium settings as to give Intel the proper advantage, instead of max settings like our rigs can handle.
I find it truley amazing that in weeks and months prior almost all Intel guys said "Intel will destroy AMD in gaming" and "AMD cpu's bottleneck higherend GPUs, specifically in crossfire/SLI"
Yet these guys are showing proof that is a bunch of B.S. Is AMD 100% superior to Intel? no not by any stretch, and nobody here has said that. They are just disprooving some of the propaganda from the Intel camp.
All these guys are showing is that a AMD 8350 will game and run high end GPU's perfectly fine.
Also, you guys seem to be getting the definition of bottleneck confused.
bot·tle·neck (btl-nk)
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b. A point or an area of traffic congestion.
Meaning if the GPU usage is at anything other than 98-99% usage than you have a case. IF the GPU's on both rigs are being maxed yet Intel pulls more FPS that is not a bottleneck, it is just a architecture advantage. There is a huge difference. Intel possess the better architecture, no question, but AMD is not bottlenecking.

You clearly have no idea what CPU bottleneck is. When i buy 2 x 7970 want to get every single fps they provide end of story. You don't buy 2 x HD 7970 to get over 60 fps.

Also if you get 99% GPU use in AMD or Intel CPU you will get same FPS.
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So AMD really isn't that far off in gaming..Why do I keep hearing they're miles behind in this area? mad.gif
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So AMD really isn't that far off in gaming..Why do I keep hearing they're miles behind in this area? mad.gif

Well behind the scenes I am having a million problems with Eyefinity and Crossfire combined. I am actually extremely disappointed.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1333065/eyefinity-crossfire-problems-with-vsync-video-of-problem-attached/0_20#post_18732191

Basically I have irreversible stutter and broken vsync. These games look like garbage.
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