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I highly recommend you get a nice mechanical keyboard, you'll thank me later. thumb.gif

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CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.77 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($188.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($254.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($100.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1986.59
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Edited by StayFrosty - 12/1/12 at 11:39pm
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You don't want 1.65V RAM. It is not really recommended for Sandy/Ivy, and will probably be even worse for Haswell or follow-on chips. I'd recommend one of these kits:
Samsung 8GB DDR3-1600 $35
G.Skill Ripjaws X 8GB DDR3-1600 $38 ($30 after promo code)
Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3-1600 $38
post #13 of 48
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

Don't bother with 2133 RAM. There is no appreciable performance difference with anything faster than DDR3-1600, so just get 8GB of DDR3-1600. I'd also get either the low profile version of the Vengeance, or a different brand - those tall heatspreaders do nothing and they can get in the way of the cooler (depending on what you get).

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Higher clocked RAM with tighter timings does improve performance to a noticeable degree. Check out the 4p AMD G34 server builds that people put together for Folding@Home, the higher clocked RAM sets were directly benefiting the CPU performance.
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Originally Posted by dmanstasiu View Post

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Higher clocked RAM with tighter timings does improve performance to a noticeable degree. Check out the 4p AMD G34 server builds that people put together for Folding@Home, the higher clocked RAM sets were directly benefiting the CPU performance.

How is that relevant to his case? He's not buying an AMD 4 way server, and he's not folding. For gaming on Intel chips, it makes no appreciable difference.
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

You don't want 1.65V RAM. It is not really recommended for Sandy/Ivy, and will probably be even worse for Haswell or follow-on chips. I'd recommend one of these kits:
Samsung 8GB DDR3-1600 $35
G.Skill Ripjaws X 8GB DDR3-1600 $38 ($30 after promo code)
Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3-1600 $38


Currently, the best bang for buck is the Samsung 30nm RAM. It's very cheap @ $35/8GB, and overclocks like a champ. Runs supercool, only uses 1.35V http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096

users regularly report that it overclocks to CL9 and 2133MHz easily.
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I highly recommend you get a nice mechanical keyboard, you'll thank me later. thumb.gif
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.77 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($188.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($254.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($100.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1986.59
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-02 02:39 EST-0500)

OP, these parts are generally fine, but look around for better prices.

My critique:
1- GPU can be had for $300 in Canada; NCIX had it on sale for $330 with a $30 rebate. My point is that stuff is more expensive in Canada, you should be able to find a 7970 for less than $360
2- As stated before, get the Samsung RAM over any other RAM on the market.
3- Case is very subjective to you; the Fractal is a rather well-designed case, if not for the "covered" fan in the front. The bottom and side fans kind of make up for it though. This works as long as your GPU has a stock design [airflow out the back] which it does. So you're good with side-intake configuration
4- The SSD can definitely be had for cheaper.

My biggest tip would be to wait around, and monitor the prices of hardware. Cyber monday had a bunch of good deals,and more will be around the corner with Xmas / Boxing day. Keep an
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Ok, I've updated the OP again. Thanks everyone for the replies!
Yeah I don't think I'm going to go with the 690.
Probably some time after the new year, Jan-Feb time frame.
Still trying to decide between graphics cards and SSD. Leaning towards the Samsung on the SDD.
Also still trying to figure out the monitor situation. I added some questions in the OP, but essentially I'm thinking of one monitor for games, and the second for doing other things while the game is going.
I think I picked out a reasonable RAM, but not sure.
I'm thinking I like the Sniper motherboard, but I am also not sure on that.

Please don't buy the 690. It's loud, it's power-hungry, it makes a lot of heat... SLI-configuration cards always lag a bit behind their single-GPU brethren due to the lower powered, lower clocked chips on the cards. If you're interested in Nvidia, the 680 is your best bet ; that being said, the 7970 is the most powerful single GPU card on the market and it can be had at a great price, around $300 if you shop wisely.

Reasonable ram: definitely Samsung, you will not be disappointed

The Sniper motherboard is more or less just a gimmick motherboard; it only has a 6+2+1 power phase design, ergo one that is lacking. For the 3770k look into Z77 motherboards.

For the SSD, the Samsung 840 Pro is a solid choice; that being said, you wont notice a difference between the top-of-the-line SSDs unless you're benchmarking.
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The samsung 840 pro is the fastest drive on the market. That intel drive still uses the old sandforce controller which means it gets most of it's speed from data compression. If you look at a ATTO disk bench of the sandforce drives, you will notice that the smaller data transfers are pretty slow. The non-sandforce drives can move small and large files without slowing down as much which means that drives like the 840 pro have a massive advantage.

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Originally Posted by AlPh4Kil1 View Post

OP go with a 7970. It'll be a good purchase. That $1000 you spend on the 690 will be obsolete the next year or so and you plan to have this last a good 3 years? You can always just add another 7970 for crossfire.
Just wondering OP when will you be purchasing this? We could be around the corner of the 700/8000 series GPU's

7xx/8xxx series GPUs wont be around for a while... the 7970 is a definite plus for his system, although it also runs quite hot [assuming he's overclocking it]. Still the best choice in my eyes though

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How is that relevant to his case?  He's not buying an AMD 4 way server, and he's not folding.  For gaming on Intel chips, it makes no appreciable difference.

There's two things to consider here.
The first thing I'll address, is the importance of higher clocked RAM. Yes, it does make a difference. Check out this review done with a 3570k http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html#sect0
In some sections, it didn't make a difference, while in others like 3D mark it made a noticeable difference (5-10%)
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We must admit that gaming applications differ somewhat in this respect. Memory subsystem performance has a larger effect on them. By preferring high-bandwidth DDR3 SDRAM for your Ivy Bridge platform, you can get an additional 5-10% in terms of frame rate. You don’t always achieve this even by installing a faster CPU!

The second item, is the factor of value.

Samsung RAM:
-Runs cooler
-At a lower voltage (1.35 compared to 1.5-1.65 for other RAM)
-Can be overclocked to 2133 and CL9/CL10 quite easily
-Is cheap. $70 per 16GB of top notch ram.

The 30nm architecture is what allows the above; new technology, faster RAM.

Why would you tell the OP to buy slower, more expensive RAM? There's no benefit from the RAM you're suggesting


OP Let me know if you have any questions, I'd be glad to submit articles / reviews to backup any statements I made.
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Thank you everyone for your replies.
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If you're interested in Nvidia, the 680 is your best bet ; that being said, the 7970 is the most powerful single GPU card on the market and it can be had at a great price, around $300 if you shop wisely.

Which version of the 7970 are you talking about? AFAIK there are two, one that benchmarks better, and one that benchmarks worse than the 680. I have only seen one review comparing the 7970 ghz with the 680, in which the 7970 ghz won. Do you happen to have any sources for this comparison?
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I woulld steer the hell away from and I mean not even look at Win8 for a desktop machine at all !!!! It is designed for a touch screen monitor and who wants to reach across the desk to swipe stuff around anyway? Most people don't have a touch monitor on their desktops and the mouse usage on it is just pitiful from what I have heard. Win7 pro 64 bit all the way.
There is no problem with Windows 8 on desktop. I run Windows 8 Pro, and see no problem what-so-ever. The MetroUI interface isn't as bad as you think once you realize how it works. What is brought up using a swipe on a touch screen, can be easily performed with right-click or the good 'ole click, hold, and drag. There are some apps that are better performed on with a touch screen, yes, but most apps can be easily used on a desktop environment. No, I do not use a touch screen monitor. There is also the fact that Windows 8 uses less RAM than what Windows 7 did on my computer. I will dispute your claims until the end.
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Thank you everyone for your replies.
Which version of the 7970 are you talking about? AFAIK there are two, one that benchmarks better, and one that benchmarks worse than the 680. I have only seen one review comparing the 7970 ghz with the 680, in which the 7970 ghz won. Do you happen to have any sources for this comparison?

Comparison of 680 to 7970:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/508?vs=555

Note: the above comparison is at stock speeds. That being said, the AMD 7970 is capable of overclocking higher. Want statistics for that too ?

7970 Card
There is only one "card design" for the 7970.

However, there are two sold "editions", the stock 7970, and 7970 GHz Edition.

Check out these two pages that clearly list the differences between them; the 7970 GHz is "pre-overclocked"

Normal 7970:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970/Pages/radeon-7970.aspx#3

Pre-overclocked, "Ghz edition"
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7970ghz/Pages/radeon-7970GHz.aspx#3

if you're comfortable with overclocking your own card, there is no point in paying the premium for a GHz edition. You can reach the same overclock with a stock 7970

The only difference between different non-GHz models is the cooler design, such as the following: images of 7970 cooling (Click to show)
Stock, reference design:


MSI Lightning:


XFX Double D:

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Comparison of 680 to 7970:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/508?vs=555
Note: the above comparison is at stock speeds. That being said, the AMD 7970 is capable of overclocking higher. Want statistics for that too ?

Check out these two pages that clearly list the differences between them; the 7970 GHz is "pre-overclocked"

Thanks! Especially for the clarification between card design and edition on the 7970.

I guess the 7970 does seem a bit better, then.
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Thanks! Especially for the clarification between card design and edition on the 7970.
I guess the 7970 does seem a bit better, then.

It ultimately depends on what applications you have for the card smile.gif

So what is your computer hardware round-up looking like right now?
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