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Originally Posted by dmanstasiu View Post

Oh god I just facepalmed so hard. You forgot a motherboard... [My fault for not noticing before doh.gif]
The case size will need to match, or be bigger than, the motherboard size. ATX's are a standard size
Order goes : mITX < mATX < ATX < server sizes you dont need to worry about tongue.gif
ATX is a standard size with lots of decent options out there. I'll get back to you on this tomorrow night, I gotta sleep thumb.gif

I didn't forget, I just haven't decided yet.
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Sorted.
I highly recommend you get a nice mechanical keyboard, you'll thank me later. thumb.gif

Could you elaborate on this?


Here's what I have for the time being.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($188.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($254.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1922.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-02 04:41 EST-0500)

The motherboard, case, and monitors are mostly just placeholders for the moment.

What are the differences between the mobo I have picked out now and this one here? I'm still not very good at distinguishing mobos.
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($188.49 @ Newegg)
Edited by kazooki117 - 12/2/12 at 1:42am
post #32 of 48
Cases I'd recommend:

Fractal Design Define XL (Fractal Design makes awesome sleek, really silent caes)
Corsair 500R
NZXT Phantom 410 (Awesome looking case with many different color schemes and perfect for anything really)
NZXT Switch 810
Coolermaster 690 II Advanced
Fractal Design Define R4 (basically a mid-tower version of the Define XL)


Read this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/240939/mechanical_keyboards_should_you_switch_.html
post #33 of 48
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Off for now. Will return tomorrow. Thanks for the help everyone.
post #34 of 48
I believe the TX750M is an older model Corsair that uses different internals than the HX series (which is why it is Bronze instead of Gold) and isn't as highly rated. If you want Corsair, just get the HX650 or HX750 (the HX650 is only $95 after rebate at Newegg). Otherwise the Seasonic X650 dmanstasiu recommended is a good choice, or the Rosewill Capstone 650M (also an excellent modular PSU).
Edited by Forceman - 12/2/12 at 2:31am
post #35 of 48
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Could you elaborate on this?

A mechanical keyboard (depending on the types of mechanical switches you choose) offers a ridiculously satisfying typing experience. That may sound like an exaggeration, but anybody on the forum with a decent mechanical keyboard (myself included) will say that the difference between a mechanical switches and rubber dome keys (what you find on cheaper devices) for a typist/gamer is akin to the difference between stiletto heels and nike kicks for a runner. You should go try out some mechanical keyboards anywhere you can to see for yourself.
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If it was me I would go with the Intel based SSD's. I have heard they are rock solid. The 520 is faster and has a better warranty.

The samsung 840 pro is the fastest drive on the market. That intel drive still uses the old sandforce controller which means it gets most of it's speed from data compression. If you look at a ATTO disk bench of the sandforce drives, you will notice that the smaller data transfers are pretty slow. The non-sandforce drives can move small and large files without slowing down as much which means that drives like the 840 pro have a massive advantage.

Yeah Ok I F-ed up. I didn't look in to the Samsung drive as close as I should have before posting. I knew the Intel SSD is rock solid and jumped on it. If he did get that one instead of the Sammy it wouldn't have been the end of the world though. In day to day usage I doubt he or anyone else would notice the difference.

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I woulld steer the hell away from and I mean not even look at Win8 for a desktop machine at all !!!! It is designed for a touch screen monitor and who wants to reach across the desk to swipe stuff around anyway? Most people don't have a touch monitor on their desktops and the mouse usage on it is just pitiful from what I have heard. Win7 pro 64 bit all the way.
There is no problem with Windows 8 on desktop. I run Windows 8 Pro, and see no problem what-so-ever. The MetroUI interface isn't as bad as you think once you realize how it works. What is brought up using a swipe on a touch screen, can be easily performed with right-click or the good 'ole click, hold, and drag. There are some apps that are better performed on with a touch screen, yes, but most apps can be easily used on a desktop environment. No, I do not use a touch screen monitor. There is also the fact that Windows 8 uses less RAM than what Windows 7 did on my computer. I will dispute your claims until the end.

I'm not going to derail the thread with a guy who is a member of the Win8 fan club on here so no worries. biggrin.gif It was my personal opinion, which is what the OP was asking for.

I have played around with it a little when I have been out in stores/ friends houses and I can't get past the fact that Win8 has Metro layered on top of the base OS where non-Metro apps aren't seamlessly tied together on Metro. It seemed to be a lot of extra clicking steps to move around in Metro with a mouse and the fact that the old Start menu is gone is kinda a deal breaker for me. Yes I know about Stardock's thing but why should you have to add functionality back to something that shouldn't have had it removed in the first place. If MS kept it similar to having Metro enabled for systems that it detects having touch based devices like phones and tablets, and having Metro turned off for non-touch systems like desktops, then it would have gone over better in the public opinion or at least have a simple way to toggle it on and off through control panel. If you have an older tablet notebook like a IBM x60 Windows automatically enables touch and loads the drivers for it during install. I think MS spent a ton of time stripping out the Start menu/ making a unified platform that there wasn't enough improvements to justify a new OS for people to upgrade to. They are just seeing the market numbers all the time saying that Apple is king so they are trying emulate Apple in every way they can. Another thing I'm not a fan of is the shorter, incremental, paid upgrades to the OS (like Apple and their OS) that are proposed to be the new way of doing things in Redmond.

I guess to each his own. I don't plan on upgrading but I'm also not going to have a needless pissing contest about it either because in the end people are going to use what they want and like or dislike what they want.
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As for the OS, I have access to Win 7 ultimate through my school store for $55.00 because I am a grad student, so I will be going with that as it is even cheaper than Win 8 at this point.

I will probably have to go and try out some mechanical keyboards at a local store to see the difference for myself.

I want this case: http://cdn.overclock.net/3/35/35a82cef_VenomCarousalBest.jpeg


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($254.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1883.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-02 11:50 EST-0500)

This is what I have now. I will probably go look around the monitor boards for more info on those.

Is a mid tower like the one I picked out big enough?

I still would like some advice on motherboards. There was a typo in my previous post, here are the mobos I would like to compare to the one above:

Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($224.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($188.49 @ Newegg)
post #38 of 48
Don't get the Sabertooth - it is overpriced for what it offers and the "thermal armor" is worthless.
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Originally Posted by kazooki117 View Post

As for the OS, I have access to Win 7 ultimate through my school store for $55.00 because I am a grad student, so I will be going with that as it is even cheaper than Win 8 at this point.
I will probably have to go and try out some mechanical keyboards at a local store to see the difference for myself.
I want this case: http://cdn.overclock.net/3/35/35a82cef_VenomCarousalBest.jpeg
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($254.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1883.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-02 11:50 EST-0500)
This is what I have now. I will probably go look around the monitor boards for more info on those.
Is a mid tower like the one I picked out big enough?
I still would like some advice on motherboards. There was a typo in my previous post, here are the mobos I would like to compare to the one above:
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($224.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($188.49 @ Newegg)
If you can get any OS for cheaper than MSRP, then go for it.
As for the motherboards a straight upgrade path from what you have would be the ASRock Z77 Extreme6. It is a very nice board with many options. It isn't too much more than what you already have. The Asus Sabertooth, let's face it, you are just paying for the name. Gigabyte's motherboards have gotten some very nice rep recently, so I think that would be a very nice upgrade option as well.
Funny thing: If you go with the Extreme6, you will have the PC that I will have finished in the Fall next year. The only difference is the case, PSU, choice of monitors, and SSD. Sean helped me yesterday and is posting up better deals for me:
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Wait a week or two, there are sales on top end drives like every few days lol. I'll link you sales as they come.
If you need one this moment this would be a better buy: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?is=REG&Q=&A=details&O=productlist&sku=857319
Here is Seans Guide to SSDs. If you scroll down a bit, you will find is most recommended SSDs.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme9 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($309.47 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($254.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2073.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-02 16:21 EST-0500)

I chose a new motherboard. I'll probably get one of the ASSRock Z77 series motherboards, but I'm trying to determine the difference between each one. Right now I have the bestest/most expensive one selected.

Haven't had time to look at monitors.

My question about towers still stands. Do you think a mid is large enough for what I have selected?
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