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Hello everyone!

I have been commissioned to build a computer for a friend. He needs to run specifically this software.
http://www.structurestudios.com/website/software/poolstudio/

From what i can gather this software is a 3D CAD design type of software. I have been asked to make a computer that will run this software very well and also run everyday type of stuff such as email and office blah blah blah...

The specifics I would like to know is what type of video card I should run and what kind of processor I should use (I'm thinking I5, I7, or maby a xenon). I know for sure that the software needs a DX10 video card at least. And it is NOT compatible with workstation cards such as the FirePro/FireGL or Quadro cards.

My budget is not set in stone. But I would like to keep it around $1200-$1500. If possible, I would like to keep it under that. I would also like to keep it in a small form factor (MICRO ATX).

CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352011

This budget should include a screen (open to suggestions, the bigger the better), wireless keyboard and mouse, And windows 7 Pro OEM.

Here is a list of cards and their ratings from the sites technical Specialist

Video Cards: Dedicated DirectX 10 video cards are required to run the software correctly. Integrated cards or CAD and workstations cards such as Quadro and FirePro/FireGL will not run the software properly.Below are the lists of video cards that meet and beat our minimum requirements. The rating next to a card indicates the level of power, with a 5 star video card being the highest recommended.

Nvidia Brands Rating ATI Brands Rating
GeForce GTX 260 * * * * Radeon HD 4770 * * * *
GeForce GTX 275 * * * * * Radeon HD 4830 * * * *
GeForce GTX 280 * * * * * Radeon HD 4850 * * * * *
GeForce GTX 285 * * * * * Radeon HD 4870 * * * * *
GeForce GTS 260 * * * * * Radeon HD 4890 * * * * *
GeForce GTS 280 * * * * * Radeon HD 5670 * * * *
GeForce GTX 290 * * * * * Radeon M HD 5870 * * * *
GeForce GTX 330 * * * * Radeon HD 5830 * * * *
GeForce GTX 335 * * * * Radeon HD 5850 * * * *
GeForce GTX 350 * * * * Radeon HD 5870 * * * * *
GeForce GTS 360 * * * * Radeon HD 5970 * * * * *
GeForece GT 440 * * * * Radeon HD 6850 * * * * *
GeForece GT 445 * * * * Radeon HD 6870 * * * * *
GeForce GTX 460 * * * * * Radeon HD 6950 * * * * *
GeForce GTS 465 * * * * * Radeon HD 6970 * * * * *
GeForce GTX 470 * * * * * Radeon HD 7690M * * * *
GeForce GTS 480 * * * * * Radeon 7970 * * * * *
GeForce GT 550 * * * * Radeon 7950 * * * * *
GeForce GT 555 * * * * Radeon 7870 * * * * *
GeForce GTX 570 * * * * * Radeon 7850 * * * * *
GeForce GTS 580 * * * * *
GeForce 570 * * * * *
GeForce 580 * * * * *
GeForce 590 * * * * *
Geforce GTX 560M * * * *
Geforce GTX 675M * * * * *
GeForce GTX 660M * * * * *

biggrin.gif THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HELP ME! biggrin.gif
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post #2 of 15
I am really interested in these type of programs also i picked my self up so far for my build an i7 3770k for $250 and 16gb for $50
but i have many other uses for my build, hope someone will be helpful to you
btw this is the gpu im probably end up getting -VisionTek Radeon HD 7850 2GB should run the program nicely w/o breaking the bank
post #3 of 15
Get an NVIDIA GPU. CUDA finds use in fields like this. Maybe he won't require it now, but I wouldn't buy a GPU specifically for CAD/design programs without CUDA. The GTX6xx series is not a compute chip like Fermi was. A GTX570 would probably be perfect for a $1500 build.

No reason to get a Xeon over the consumer chips unless you want FBDIMMS/multi-processor workstation mobos.

Get a CPU with hyperthreading, CAD is heavily multithreaded. A Bulldozer FX8350 would actually be a fine choice for a CAD build, but a high end i7 will outperform it even in 8 thread workloads.

RAM is cheap and useful for workstations. 16GB RAM is $75. Don't build him a system with 8GB, it's not a gaming system.

The screen should be an IPS panel, especially because you can get them for very cheap these days. Something like this would be ideal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116581

I'd also go with a small SSD for applications and OS. Professional programs can be bulky and benefit from a fast hard drive. If he needs terabytes of storage for data files/whatever, let him just get an external drive for that. Get an SSD with reliability. Don't worry about transfer rates or getting the latest gen... all SSDs are fast and will smoke a hard drive. I'd literally go to newegg, put in the price range and size that's reasonable (probably 100-200gb), and list by best reviews. If that's an Intel 320 SSD, so be it. Literally the most important thing with a workstation is reliability. Do this with every part in the system, even if it means getting slightly slower RAM, etc.
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CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.49 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($90.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Monitor ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Monitor ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1384.36

I think this will be a good build for other to pick through this is what im thinking of building atm other than i was thinking of a different gpu
I think the psu is op for 405 ratings but its pretty cheap
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Ohh wow i didn't know that the 6xx series wasn't a viable option for CAD Design. Thanks for that inside info!
That's also a solid build put together FPSisEssential. To be honest I don't know how i feel about Gskill as a reliable company; and I don't know why I don't but they always have such good deals on ram I am afraid to use it lol.

I'm iffy on using a dual monitor setup as he is somewhat older and may not be able to get used to the idea of 2 screens so easily tongue.gif
Also definitely want an SSD if i can fit it in. which should def be doable. I think the wow factor of the speed will be a big bonus as he is coming from an old IDE HDD.

Keep the suggestions coming!! biggrin.gif
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post #6 of 15
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Ok so here is what i have come up based on all of your suggestions.
Its all based on newegg to make it easy on me.


DVD DRIVE: Sony OptiArc DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118067
CASE: Fractal Design Define Mini Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352011
PROSSESOR: i7 3770 @3.4GHZ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502
RAM: Corsair Vengence 16GB (4x4GB) 1600MHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233143
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock Z77 Micro ATX Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157306
GRAPHICS CARD: GTX 570 Twin Frozer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127682
HDD: Seagate 1TB 7200RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
SSD: Corsair Force GT 180GB SATA III (not sure if this is MLC or TLC NAND flash) Can someone enlighten me on this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233211
POWER SUPPLY: Cougar CMX 700Watt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817553003
MONITOR: Del Ultrasharp LED IPS panel 24"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047
KEYBOARD/MOUSE: Logitech Wireless combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126197
OS: Windows 7 x64 Pro (who would get that Windows 8 Beta Crap lol)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992

Total: $1683.88
After Shipping and Tax: $1842.60

I would like to get this down in price as it seems to be a bit expensive for what it is. So whoever has suggestions biggrin.gif
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ik its annoying to order from lots of different stores but http://pcpartpicker.com/ is really good for finding great deals
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Ok after talking with the client. He has opted to not get a SSD and get a less expensive screen.

I just gotta say my eyes have been opened to PC Part Picker!

Here it is so far.
Please let me know if there is anything that i should be aware of with this build. If you see anything wrong with it or am missing something!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qQzj

Base Total: $1498.12
Combo Discounts: -$15.00
Shipping: $18.84
Total: $1501.96
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not bad i just only go with western union hdd's, ram is expensive i would get g skill but its all personal preference
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Originally Posted by FpsIsEssential View Post

not bad i just only go with western union hdd's, ram is expensive i would get g skill but its all personal preference

Western Unions?

Just get the ASRock Extreme4.
Change to a Seagate Barracuda/Caviar Blue/Black.
Get the Sapphire 7950.
Get a Seasonic x650 / Corsair 650

I would go with something like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qTmF

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($56.05 @ Amazon)
Total: $1376.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 11:47 EST-0500)


I'm not sure, but you would definitely be better going with a Nvidia card to render things, I'm sure they're better, but on that note I'm not sure which one to give you.
Edited by Mhyles - 12/4/12 at 8:48am
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