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4.0 is quite easy to achieve with any overclocking motherboard with an i7-3770k. You will probably be able to get to 4.4ish without much effort if you choose to. Heat will not be a problem, the i7-3770k does not put out much (total) heat, and you're were planning on an overkill cooler last I checked.
    
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...I don't know why streaming Starcraft II has any huge disadvantage on AMD processors beyond Intel ones (apart from playing Starcraft) because the game only uses two cores. So... on a 6300 or 8320/8350, that leaves you with between 4-6 cores totally free for your streaming task. Theoretically that's more than you'd be provided with the Intel quad core you can afford.

 

Honestly, there's a hint of exaggeration going on here. The first comparison seemed to have only SC2 in mind. While agree that there is a huge "special case" with SC2 thanks to heavy CPU optimization towards newer Intel CPUs, this is not the only game that OP will be playing. Battlefield 3 is on that list and this will benefit from high core count in multiplayer.

 

I don't know if this immediate "pursue i7" option will be such a good idea given that it's going to completely stretch OP's budget (edit: re-checked and it looks like that i7 is going to fit budget, interesting but still very pushy) and OP is a student working a minimum wage job. On top of that, he is a student working a minimum wage job living in Maple Ridge - not one of the more transit-accessible areas of this metro. B.C. has a 12% harmonized sales tax. The i7 option would be several hundreds of dollars above budget, with that tax accounted for. I understand that everyone likes the i7 because it's pretty much going to provide the better experience - but that does not mean that the less expensive FX option will be a "can't-do".

 

EDIT: I wonder if NCIX's price match option can be taken into account.

Referring to pricebat.ca, that 3570k could be price matched to $218, the 3770k to $320, and FX-6300 to $130 (well, NCIX has the lowest 6300 price) and 8320 to $163.


Edited by xd_1771 - 12/3/12 at 6:37pm
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The issue with streaming SC2 on AMD processors is pretty simple. Even when not streaming, AMD processors have a lower minimum frame rate than Intel when playing SC2. Minimum frame rate is particularly important for SC2 because it invariably comes at the most important time in matches: during the largest, climactic battles in the late game - incidentally when smooth unit control is most desirable.

Moreover, this isn't a case of picking between overkill & more overkill (which is generally where the AMD vs Intel "there's no difference between 200 or 300 fps, so it doesn't matter what processor you get" argument comes from. There isn't a CPU in the world capable of maintaining 60 fps in the more taxing late game scenarios even when just playing SC2, so in every case we're talking about real-world performance differences between the various CPU options.* Add more stress on the CPU - streaming - and the slowdowns start to become noticeable.

*Edit: I meant here that the differences are at least measurable, in those minumum frame rate situations. Personally I don't give a hoot if the game is displaying at 25 fps or 60 fps. As long as I can control my units I'm fine. But some people with better eyesight think there's a difference between, say, 25 fps and 45 fps - they find the faster speed more visually pleasing. *End Edit

A few months ago I was speaking with an SC2 progamer who has an i5-2400 (EG.Suppy). He recently changed teams, which included more streaming, presumably as a way of raising his public profile. The i5-2400 performed fine for him normally (I should mention we're pretty much talking exclusively 1v1 multiplayer here), but he didn't have full control during late game scenarios when streaming. I would expect an overclocked fx-6300 or fx-8350 to perform similarly here. It should be fine playing the game normally, but may have some slight problems when streaming due to the slightly increased demands on the CPU. Note that fine here means "I can efficiently control my units", not a certain FPS number, and the problems were along the line of "playable, but at a slight control disadvantage".

Note that last part. If SC2 streaming is not a major task for the setup, the cheaper stock i5/overclocked fx-6300 (which I demonstrated are about the same price back on I think page 1) options are probably better because they're cheaper. Ultimately I recommended an overclocked i5-3570k because it seemed SC2 streaming was a significant task for the computer but I also agree with xd_1771 that going all the way to the i7-3770k is probably stretching the budget unnecessarily. Though ultimately that kind of cost-benefit decision can really only be made by the person spending the money.

P.S. And yes, in this sort of situation I do over-emphasize the SC2 goal. This is for two reasons. One, I know more about this so can speak with confidence. Two, usually this is the hardest CPU-related task gaming/streaming task people want to do, so if one can stream SC2 fine, one can stream anything else just fine.

I do want to say that xd_1771 makes an interesting point about BF3 streaming, particularly considering the larger 64-player maps (which is pretty much the only time the game has a significant per-core CPU demand). I'll say right out that I don't know nearly as much about the game. Pretty much no more than it's one of the few examples of a game genuinely benefiting from a quad-core. Will it do better when streaming on an overclocked fx-8350 than an i5-3570k (same price tier)? I don't know, to be honest. I'd always assumed that the i5-3570k would do at least as well, possibly a tad better, but some actual statistics/personal experience would be nice here.
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I'm still very unsure. Just this morning I thought Intel again. I can get the i7 and what not. But like mr goat said. It really pushes my budget...

I keep changing my damn mind over a lot of things... lol. Difficult decisions -_-.
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I'm still very unsure. Just this morning I thought Intel again. I can get the i7 and what not. But like mr goat said. It really pushes my budget...
I keep changing my damn mind over a lot of things... lol. Difficult decisions -_-.

it's your call man, all i can say is that the 8350 can do livestreaming just fine, but the i7 can do better, if you don't want to have any regrets then go get the i7, if you want to save some money then go get the 8350
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If spending the extra money would hurt, go for the cheaper option. In my opinion you should be deciding between the i5-3570k & whatever AMD setup you're considering rather than the i7-3770k & an AMD setup for this very reason.

And just to clarify my very long post: I expect the AMD processors will do almost everything you want them to. Either way you're not going to end up with some clunker of a system. We're arguing slim margins here, not major differences.
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Ok. I mean it this time. I've actually made a decision. I will be going for the i7 with my glorious and very unnecessarily expensive motherboard.

Why?

From what everyone on this website has said to me. The intel chips are better... Even though at first they didn't present that way.

The AMD processors provide a huge competitive punch to the Intel choice. I mean, they run at 4.0GHz, and have double the physical cores, all for up to $100 or less than the Intel chips.

I understand both processors do what I need. But not regretting a purchase on something I can't return easily, is worth $200 to me. Having a processor that has a performance crown over the other, a processor that is much more optimized for the main game I play, a processor I feel more comfortable with because I have bought from the same company before, a processor used by a lot of guys like me doing the same stuff... Is worth the extra $200.

From the AMD side, It would be nice to save $200, and still get what I need, hell, I even have the freedom of an upgrade in a year or two. With the Intel, I'm locked in. After this i7. There is no upgrade, I will have to redo the entire thing.

But I don't plan on upgrading that quick. I never have. I upgrade every 2-3 years, and I go big, or go home.

I have the money, I do not pay any bills, I don't have to feed a family, or myself, unless McDonald's binges for lunch breaks at my school counts. One day that will change, and when it does, if AMD and Intel are still similar to the way they are now. My wallet will make me choose AMD. For now, I might as well abuse this freedom.

Intel it is!... For now...smile.gif

Thanks again guys. I think I will be making a new account and posting much more seriously on this website. It's probably been the 5th or 6th time I've been given free computer help from people. I have to give back somehow...
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Ok. I mean it this time. I've actually made a decision. I will be going for the i7 with my glorious and very unnecessarily expensive motherboard.
Why?
From what everyone on this website has said to me. The intel chips are better... Even though at first they didn't present that way.
The AMD processors provide a huge competitive punch to the Intel choice. I mean, they run at 4.0GHz, and have double the physical cores, all for up to $100 or less than the Intel chips.
I understand both processors do what I need. But not regretting a purchase on something I can't return easily, is worth $200 to me. Having a processor that has a performance crown over the other, a processor that is much more optimized for the main game I play, a processor I feel more comfortable with because I have bought from the same company before, a processor used by a lot of guys like me doing the same stuff... Is worth the extra $200.
From the AMD side, It would be nice to save $200, and still get what I need, hell, I even have the freedom of an upgrade in a year or two. With the Intel, I'm locked in. After this i7. There is no upgrade, I will have to redo the entire thing.
But I don't plan on upgrading that quick. I never have. I upgrade every 2-3 years, and I go big, or go home.
I have the money, I do not pay any bills, I don't have to feed a family, or myself, unless McDonald's binges for lunch breaks at my school counts. One day that will change, and when it does, if AMD and Intel are still similar to the way they are now. My wallet will make me choose AMD. For now, I might as well abuse this freedom.
Intel it is!... For now...smile.gif
Thanks again guys. I think I will be making a new account and posting much more seriously on this website. It's probably been the 5th or 6th time I've been given free computer help from people. I have to give back somehow...

good decision, enjoy your i7 thumb.gif
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^ That's what we do here! thumb.gif Though I should warn you, holding multiple accounts is strictly against OCN TOS. You'll have to stay on your current one.

I hope you're sure about this; I'm graduating shortly and I anticipate a tough financial situation. I might ask you about financials soon actually because I anticipate that soon I will be in a similar situation: a student working with not very high wages, in the same metro. Anyways, good luck with the new build!

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Ok... My name of Bi-Polar Bear in games is really starting to fit me now...

I've decided I will not be livestreaming...rolleyes.gif

For multiple reasons, A: I think I would enjoy recording game-play and editing videos (not montages) MUCH MUCH More. Theres some sort of permanence to videos and recordings as opposed to live streams. I feel like they would really let me have fun... Which is what games are all about! . B: Live-streams are hard work, sometimes literally work, and at this point no one will really care about me streaming... In the advice of someone in one game "It's not your gate to fame and success" And I think that 0.5 - 1 MB upload is not enough for a high quality stream... MY internet is bad like many others have in Canada. And if possible it would be nice not to have to Upgrade my internet... I wanna save $20 a month lol. Again I emphasize being a student. The money and time it entails. Lol. And even if I upgrade, the most I can get from my ISP right now is 2.5 Upload for 60$... I'd basically pay my dad $20 a month to upgrade it.

In short, no live streaming... Considering the things mentioned above would you guys agree? Yes your opinion matters lol.biggrin.gif

The reason I've decided to plague you all once again, is because of that. If I am no longer live-streaming. It's literally just gameplay, and recording it thats on the table. And... Rendering/editing videos, but that's not as big of a deal as the game-play/record stuff.

So... As my already irritated fingers touch this board, I must ask the question yet again Overclockers... AMD, or Intel?tongue.gif
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