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I don't care. They did us in when they didn't approve the Lehman Brothers deal.
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Why do I get the feeling that you mean this in a derogatory manner?
"I always thought you would be a flat-Earther." rolleyes.gif
I support a flat (yet fair) federal and state income tax code. The particulars of that plan are not something that are easily summarized in a contrite blurb. That conversation touches on societal and governmental responsibility, instigation of class warfare, economic independence, and fiscal responsibility. It is well beyond the scope of this forum (or most people's patience). Suffice it to say that I am not some hillbilly in a shanty with a possum on my should shouting, "Taxes suck! Flat Tax!" I urge anyone who is unfamiliar with the arguments in favor of a flat tax to educate themselves rather than assume all proposals are the same ridiculous, ill-conceived notions that have been abandoned decades ago.

flat taxer=flat earther more or less. name other large, developed countries that have this. wait, there are none
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flat taxer=flat earther more or less. name other large, developed countries that have this. wait, there are none

That is a silly supposition and you make yourself look silly by saying it. There are dozens of countries with flat taxes as well as 9 states. When people want to discredit a potential flat tax system they dream up images of poor people dying in streets under the Orwellian 30-40% flat sales tax on all good and services. This is not the system of taxation I am even remotely advocating. I am large supporter of the Fair Tax. It is a type of "flat tax," but not a true flat tax. I am not going to sit here and explain the finer points of it to you, however. Do your own research.
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That is a silly supposition and you make yourself look silly by saying it. There are dozens of countries with flat taxes as well as 9 states. When people want to discredit a potential flat tax system they dream up images of poor people dying in streets under the Orwellian 30-40% flat sales tax on all good and services. This is not the system of taxation I am even remotely advocating. I am large supporter of the Fair Tax. It is a type of "flat tax," but not a true flat tax. I am not going to sit here and explain the finer points of it to you, however. Do your own research.

yeah states and small nations have a flat-tax, not major ones. i am not the one making absurd claims, like that the usfg could be remotely supported by a flat-tax. you are so you should support them.

could the us survive with a flat tax? maybe. could it come close to supporting us-european hegemony and civilization as we know it? if you want the US to engage in isolationism that would destroy the foundations of prosperity in the US and Europe and usher in the global dominance of totalitarian regimes, then yes you're right
Edited by perfectblade - 12/5/12 at 9:52pm
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I overheard one of my friends talkign about this earlyer today. He was saying (I haven't read it yet so don't hold me to what he said) "These companies shouldnt be made to look bad of not paying tax correctly, because there is a loophole in the system"

Legislation does not govern morality (or at least I don't think it does O_o )

Doing things as a mega corp that means tax payers have to pick up your tab, just because you can, doesn't make you a crook, but it does make you an a-hole.

We don't need a law to tell us killing people is bad. If there were no laws on murdering toddlers, I'm quite sure the general consensus would remain that murdering toddlers is at least somewhat immoral.

Raping women while they cry for help wouldn't be any less sick if there were no law against it.

I believe this to be a similar situation.
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Good on those companies for avoiding taxes. I know if I had a business I would do my best to avoid taxes within spec of the law. If I had my own LLC making more than $1 mil a year here in California I would be forced to give up approximately 52% of my income. Would the government write 52% of my code? Would they come up with 52% of my game concept? Would they draw 52% of my textures? No, of course they wouldn't. I'd do 100% of the work and only get 48% of the reward.
Like I said, good on those companies for avoiding taxes. thumb.gif

Awesome. If everybody were as set as you are in avoiding taxes, guess what would happen to your country? Yep, bankrupcy.

Seriously, I still don't get how could you imply to avoid taxes as much as possible... when its totally immoral and plain wrong. The fact of the matter is that if everybody paid what was needed... the country would make more money, which could be used to lower taxes or to repay debt.

Spain is one of those countries in which tax evasion (although ours is ilegal) makes for something around the 40-50 of our GDP rolleyes.gif

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I'm not necessarily opposed to this. I think most people agree there is something wrong with the current system, and we all want to change it, we just vary in opinions as to how.
Something simpler seems to be the best bet. Currently the US tax code alone is 13,458 pages in length, 20 volumes in total, and a copy will set you back a cool 1K. Talk about some put me to sleep reading!

w00t? 13K pages of tax code? No wonder the system doesn't work and there are a thousand loop-holes... that think must be more complicated that your civil law system, jeeeeeeez.

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Nothing illegal with this, you may not like the idea but the tax code has the holes in it and you want to know who put it there? That's right the politicians who are lobbied like crazy by big business to keep the loop holes in place. None of this is going to stop until the politicians take there jobs seriously and work the those they represent.

No. The more complicated a code is, the more likely it is to have bugs and loopholes in there. It was never something that was intended to happen, it just happened. Also, in the US the accounts of the corps aren't public, aren't they? Meaning... how is anybody going to figure out how many taxes big corps pay when they don't disclose the amount nor show any of their accounts?
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Legislation does not govern morality (or at least I don't think it does O_o )
Doing things as a mega corp that means tax payers have to pick up your tab, just because you can, doesn't make you a crook, but it does make you an a-hole.
We don't need a law to tell us killing people is bad. If there were no laws on murdering toddlers, I'm quite sure the general consensus would remain that murdering toddlers is at least somewhat immoral.
Raping women while they cry for help wouldn't be any less sick if there were no law against it.
I believe this to be a similar situation.

For once in a lifetime... I agree with you.
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Legislation does not govern morality (or at least I don't think it does O_o )
Doing things as a mega corp that means tax payers have to pick up your tab, just because you can, doesn't make you a crook, but it does make you an a-hole.
We don't need a law to tell us killing people is bad. If there were no laws on murdering toddlers, I'm quite sure the general consensus would remain that murdering toddlers is at least somewhat immoral.
Raping women while they cry for help wouldn't be any less sick if there were no law against it.
I believe this to be a similar situation.

yeah but taxes aren't an intuitive thing like "don't kill people." when you do your taxes you don't say, "what is the reasonable amount for me to give" because that is subjective and could vary.

whereas most people would agree killing is bad
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yeah states and small nations have a flat-tax, not major ones. i am not the one making absurd claims, like that the usfg could be remotely supported by a flat-tax. you are so you should support them.
could the us survive with a flat tax? maybe. could it come close to supporting us-european hegemony and civilization as we know it? if you want the US to engage in isolationism that would destroy the foundations of prosperity in the US and Europe and usher in the global dominance of totalitarian regimes, then yes you're right

This is a ridiculous argument. I've stated numerous times that I support a form of a flat tax, not a true flat tax. There are large countries that use a form of flat tax as well. How you reach the rest of your conclusions concerning a hegemony or totalitarian regimes extending from a fair taxation system is truly beyond me. Sounds like someone needs to put on their tinfoil hat.
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What did they think was going to happen? You can't expect companies to behave morally, there has to be laws in place. It is INCREDIBLY easy to not pay corporation tax in the UK.
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