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The showdown over the policing and administration of the internet will take place at a meeting of the International Telecommunications Union in Dubai from Dec. 3-14, when the ITU's 193 member countries will meet to debate new net rules.

The EU's 27 states are staunchly opposed to sweeping plans to regulate the Internet, including proposals from Africa, Asia and the Middle East that governments should be able to trace the flow of web-based traffic and introduce a tax on companies such as Google and Yahoo! if they deliver content to networks abroad.

The United States, which plays a dominant role in administering the Internet via ICANN, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, is firmly opposed to any new restrictions, which it fears will limit innovation and commerce.

It is backed in its stance by the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and other ITU-member countries. As well as having support from African countries, officials say Russia has backing for some of its proposals from China.

"The EU believes that there is no justification for such proposals," the European Commission, the EU's executive, said on Friday, saying it was the view of all 27 member states.
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"The European Union's firm view is that the Internet works," she said this week. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Leaked drafts of a proposal from Russia show it would like to have more say over internet traffic entering its networks, a proposal the United States has said is most troubling to them.

"Member states shall have the sovereign right to regulate ... the national internet segment," Russia's proposal says.

The U.S. ambassador to the ITU, Terry Kramer, said Moscow's plans would give governments "the right to route traffic, to review content, and say that's all a completely national matter," a potentially profound limitation on speech and trade.

Note: Title modified to include the United States as a supporting member as well.
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Wouldn't this breach privacy rights?
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Wouldn't this breach privacy rights?

What are those? rolleyes.gif

Glad to see the US actually doing something right for a change..
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Wouldn't this breach privacy rights?


That doesn't give countries your moneyz! typer.gif
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Really I don't know if this is all that bad. Look at state income tax in the US. I sometimes work in Minnesota and sometimes in Wisconsin. I have to pay state income tax for both states depending on where my feet are located at the time. Working in different countries works the same.

If Google is making money off of users in South Africa...shouldn't they be paying taxes on that money from people in South Africa to South Africa? If I went to South Africa and sold vacuum cleaners I would have to pay income tax to South Africa...why shouldn't Google?

You see, this isn't just about privacy. This also about how these Internet companies are scamming the system.
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Well, this ought to be an interesting debate.
 
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Wouldn't this breach privacy rights?

Not if they change the rules in this meeting to define privacy rights as not being breached.
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Really I don't know if this is all that bad. Look at state income tax in the US. I sometimes work in Minnesota and sometimes in Wisconsin. I have to pay state income tax for both states depending on where my feet are located at the time. Working in different countries works the same.
If Google is making money off of users in South Africa...shouldn't they be paying taxes on that money from people in South Africa to South Africa? If I went to South Africa and sold vacuum cleaners I would have to pay income tax to South Africa...why shouldn't Google?
You see, this isn't just about privacy. This also about how these Internet companies are scamming the system.

I see your point and I think that it's certainly valid. However, the problem is that this would allow the governments of these nations the ability to track users' data across the country. That's something we should all fight against. A free and open internet is one precious thing that the governments of the world have, as of yet, been unable to totally stop. If they get their way here, they can spy on anyone's traffic in the name of "preventing cyberterrorism" or perhaps "ensuring equality on the Internet".

It's good to see the EU and United States lining up on the right side of this showdown.
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I see your point and I think that it's certainly valid. However, the problem is that this would allow the governments of these nations the ability to track users' data across the country. That's something we should all fight against. A free and open internet is one precious thing that the governments of the world have, as of yet, been unable to totally stop. If they get their way here, they can spy on anyone's traffic in the name of "preventing cyberterrorism" or perhaps "ensuring equality on the Internet".
It's good to see the EU and United States lining up on the right side of this showdown.

I would think just counting hits would be enough...if an add gets a hit, Google will track it and bill the adds owner appropriately. They only need to drill down one layer and track from what country it came from...and state and city if needed for tax reasons. The trouble is getting them to stop there. They only need to know that a user was using Google's services. They do not need to know what they were using the services for. However, I am sure you know what happens when you give a pig a pan cake...they are going to want some syrup.
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Really I don't know if this is all that bad. Look at state income tax in the US. I sometimes work in Minnesota and sometimes in Wisconsin. I have to pay state income tax for both states depending on where my feet are located at the time. Working in different countries works the same.
If Google is making money off of users in South Africa...shouldn't they be paying taxes on that money from people in South Africa to South Africa? If I went to South Africa and sold vacuum cleaners I would have to pay income tax to South Africa...why shouldn't Google?
You see, this isn't just about privacy. This also about how these Internet companies are scamming the system.

google is not selling a product they are providing a free service, to the people who visit their sites. the product they sell is advertising, and they DO pay taxes on payments they get from advertisers. but someone who visits a google site is not actually paying them anything, which is why this makes no sense.
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