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Honestly, MS's problem is marketing and perceptions. Consumers are so ingrained in their thinking these days it is pathetic. If you did completely blind testing or better yet told people counter information on products you could see just how much their minds are warped. 8 may not be great; but consumers are making it into far more than it is. People have no one to blame but themselves. Wish consumers would be more responsible but that is too much to ask when they rather complain.

your post made me think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxlGI4OzeBk

I agree with you, consumers want what's new, trendy, what they are told is the "best".
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Microsoft needs a reality check. Win 8 is very much built around the touch interface but the problem is not that there is not devices that support touch interfaces. The problem is that a lot of people who use there computers for other then browsing the web, be it gaming or running excel or whatever workstation duty still prefer the mouse as the input device and win 7 in much more suitable for a mouse then win 8.
This touch interfaces craze will pass and touch interfaces will be left where they belong. On small hand held devices.

I'll chalk this up as another misinformed hater who has never used Windows 8.

The biggest problem is not the touch interface. The biggest problem is that it's different. The second biggest problem is a lack of cohesiveness between the touch world and the desktop world, as both exist on Windows 8, but moving between the two is sometimes not very fluid or intuitive. The third (arguable) biggest problem is that Microsoft didn't offer a native choice to use the classic UI.

As for running regular desktop programs and games... well, Windows 8 does that just fine with no differences at all from Windows 7.

Also, I think tablets are here to stay. The convenience they offer, combined with the growing power and efficiency of mobile x86 processors make them more versatile than ever, and Windows 8 caters well to these new hybrid designs.
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Except you're also ignoring the emerging tablet and touchscreen laptop market and how it's displacing desktop sales.

Displacing or Supplementing?

I haven't really seen any study that says people are not buying desktops but rather buying tablets and touchscreen laptops. From what I've seen, people are still buying desktops, they are just also buying tablets too.
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Displacing or Supplementing?
I haven't really seen any study that says people are not buying desktops but rather buying tablets and touchscreen laptops. From what I've seen, people are still buying desktops, they are just also buying tablets too.

desktop and laptop sales have been declining for years now
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Displacing or Supplementing?
I haven't really seen any study that says people are not buying desktops but rather buying tablets and touchscreen laptops. From what I've seen, people are still buying desktops, they are just also buying tablets too.

Displacing in that while it acts as a supplement, if the desktop is still "good enough," people would forgo a PC purchase in favor of a tablet or smartphone.
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Personally I'm not against windows 8. The reason I don't have windows 8 is because it costs anything and currently windows 7 satisfies all of my needs with virtually no trouble at all. I need nothing so I'm willing to pay nothing. Most users are probably in a similar frame of mind, especially with how advanced current mainstream systems are compared to the relatively primitive software they're running.
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desktop and laptop sales have been declining for years now

Yes, they have, for over a decade now ... long before the tablet and touchscreen revolution ... and certainly before Windows 8. So in this case, one does not have anything to do with the other.
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Yes, they have, for over a decade now ... long before the tablet and touchscreen revolution ... and certainly before Windows 8. So in this case, one does not have anything to do with the other.

But it does... it's accelerating the process.
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Personally I'm not against windows 8. The reason I don't have windows 8 is because it costs anything and currently windows 7 satisfies all of my needs with virtually no trouble at all. I need nothing so I'm willing to pay nothing. Most users are probably in a similar frame of mind, especially with how advanced current mainstream systems are compared to the relatively primitive software they're running.

I'm with you in this, I tried the Win8 CP and it provided nothing new that I needed except a new learning curve and i'm not willing to pay for that.
    
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I'll chalk this up as another misinformed hater who has never used Windows 8.
The biggest problem is not the touch interface. The biggest problem is that it's different. The second biggest problem is a lack of cohesiveness between the touch world and the desktop world, as both exist on Windows 8, but moving between the two is sometimes not very fluid or intuitive. The third (arguable) biggest problem is that Microsoft didn't offer a native choice to use the classic UI.
As for running regular desktop programs and games... well, Windows 8 does that just fine with no differences at all from Windows 7.
Also, I think tablets are here to stay. The convenience they offer, combined with the growing power and efficiency of mobile x86 processors make them more versatile than ever, and Windows 8 caters well to these new hybrid designs.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Even if you spent the money and got a touch screen for you desktop Win 8 you could not get away form using a mouse as its accuracy and additional buttons make it an essential for the bulk of the available software. On the other hand the way win8 handles some aspects of the GUI does not lend it self all that well to a mouse. It works but it feels clumsy and switching between input devices is just horrible. It works half decent on a laptop but on a honest to god desktop I can't see it working at all considering the monitors are at a near 90 degree angle and further away.

But the real question is what are you supposed to gain by using touch anyway? In what way is it better then the way win7 works with a mouse? Its new and different but is it better? In my opinion its not. Not even close. If you like it the by all means but I don't think its just people resisting change but that the old way as in fact better.
    
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