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Microsoft is stupid for not releasing 8 with the start menu BS as an option that could be toggled. That pretty much guaranteed that Win 8 will not be released in enterprise level workplace environments. Can you imagine? The poor helpdesk guys would get slaughtered with calls from those barely tech literate.

I have a feeling this will be addressed in the near future. What an oversight. kookoo.gif
Edited by ]\/[EGADET]-[ - 12/3/12 at 3:50pm
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This is exactly what I was talking about. Even if you spent the money and got a touch screen for you desktop Win 8 you could not get away form using a mouse as its accuracy and additional buttons make it an essential for the bulk of the available software. On the other hand the way win8 handles some aspects of the GUI does not lend it self all that well to a mouse. It works but it feels clumsy and switching between input devices is just horrible. It works half decent on a laptop but on a honest to god desktop I can't see it working at all considering the monitors are at a near 90 degree angle and further away.
But the real question is what are you supposed to gain by using touch anyway? In what way is it better then the way win7 works with a mouse? Its new and different but is it better? In my opinion its not. Not even close. If you like it the by all means but I don't think its just people resisting change but that the old way as in fact better.

It's a hybrid OS aimed primarily at creating a new market, the convertible tablets that can also function as a desktop when you plug it into a monitor, mouse, and keyboard, or as a laptop when you plug it into a laptop dock. They're trying to make a new market, and at the same time they want to make all their products have a similar interface to create a sense of unity between all their products. The desktop interface is similar across all OS's, but the Metro interface is something that is uniquely Microsoft.

Also, I think the article mentions this point as well. There was a rush to get new products out, and some of the things feel unfinished. It will get better as updates are made to improve the interface (at least, I hope so).

There are some things in which the old way was better, and there are some things in which the new way is better. This comes down to a preference of how you use your computer, and which way suits your usage patterns better.
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“Both parties need to work together,” McFarland says. “It’s one without the other, you don’t have the hardware, the software can’t be there, and vice versa. Both groups shouldn’t be blaming each other, both groups should be closer. If it’s not doing well, we should figure out how we can all better figure this out and see why.”

This is what I feel the article is really all about.

But all in all, I think the slow sales just boil down to the late market penetration of Microsoft. Consumers get set in their ways fast and most people who want a touch-based device are already biased (or have at least developed their stereotypes).

No need to play the blame game.
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your post made me think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxlGI4OzeBk
I agree with you, consumers want what's new, trendy, what they are told is the "best".
No, no no.

It reminds me of THIS.

History completely repeats itself.
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No, no no.
It reminds me of THIS.History completely repeats itself.

I hate thous stage commercials that they try to pass of as "real world". They just really rub me the wrong way. Vista was a flawed OS but the thing that earned it so much crap was that it was put on machines that would not run it properly. Sure it was OK on a suped up Q2C and 4GB of ram but put it on a then common slowish dual core and 2GB of ram and the thing would crawl causing endless amount of frustration.
    
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I'm not going to even read the article, the problem isn't consumers or MS. As technology peaks, the average consumer starts to get what they want at a reasonable expense. Win7 is close to the peak of the desktop as far as software goes. Unless a huge percent of the market starts going into the enthusiast market, this will continue to plateau. Consumers who don't game on the pc, don't do any heavy processing don't require anything new. As many have said, you can browse the web and do just about anything you please on Win7. What's the incentive to get Win8? DX11? How many people out there own a computer, now how many play DX11? That's just a simple example, the fact is most people are content with what they currently have.

It's close to the same reason why the "cars for junkers" program failed in germany and didn't really help the car industry in the United States either. We are building products, all around, that last longer than expected. To somebody who doesn't benchmark or game, why upgrade the old i7 to the new i7? Power consumption? You assume the person cares and performance is negligible. A lot of people don't cry over 5fps, as long as they can play whatever game they play acceptably. Then you have to think of all the families that purchase a PC for browsing or work, with a console for the kids/parents. That PC might last them 5 years, or more, as handhelds bring up the market for casual browsing they might only use that PC for work or papers. How do you think Macs sell so well? For the games? Many people get them for browsing, watching videos, downloads, itunes, stuff like that. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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post #27 of 53
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I hate thous stage commercials that they try to pass of as "real world". They just really rub me the wrong way. Vista was a flawed OS but the thing that earned it so much crap was that it was put on machines that would not run it properly. Sure it was OK on a suped up Q2C and 4GB of ram but put it on a then common slowish dual core and 2GB of ram and the thing would crawl causing endless amount of frustration.

You do realize that 7 is pretty much identical to Vista. So...are you saying Vista would be noticeably (not benchmarks, actual users noticing a difference) slower on that dual core than 7? Perceptions and prejudice effect people more than they care to admit. MS really is never going to get past it's perception problems without a strong marketing campaign and punishing OEMs for the bloatware and other issues they introduce. Vista was almost intentionally sabotaged by OEMs putting it on machines that never should have had it and refusing driver work. Not to say MS didn't drop the ball on its end of the work...but they weren't solely to blame like people mistakenly think.
     
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post #28 of 53
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I hate thous stage commercials that they try to pass of as "real world". They just really rub me the wrong way. Vista was a flawed OS but the thing that earned it so much crap was that it was put on machines that would not run it properly. Sure it was OK on a suped up Q2C and 4GB of ram but put it on a then common slowish dual core and 2GB of ram and the thing would crawl causing endless amount of frustration.
Vista ran fantastic on my P4 641 with 1GB of RAM and my A64 3000+ with 1GB of RAM and it's still running great on my sisters Toshiba laptop with a T2330 and 1GB of RAM which has also never been reformatted. The windows 7 kernel is almost identical to Vistas.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919183
http://windows.microsoft.com/systemrequirements
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You do realize that 7 is pretty much identical to Vista. So...are you saying Vista would be noticeably (not benchmarks, actual users noticing a difference) slower on that dual core than 7? Perceptions and prejudice effect people more than they care to admit. MS really is never going to get past it's perception problems without a strong marketing campaign and punishing OEMs for the bloatware and other issues they introduce. Vista was almost intentionally sabotaged by OEMs putting it on machines that never should have had it and refusing driver work. Not to say MS didn't drop the ball on its end of the work...but they weren't solely to blame like people mistakenly think.

Most definitely. Especially if you compare vanilla vista to vanilla 7. I currently have win7 on a dual core atom laptop with 2GB of ram and it runs smooth as butter even un-updated while vista even after sp1 was sluggish as hell on a faster Athlon x2 / 2GB ram.

Edit: And if you are wondering I did later install win7 on that same Athlon x2 as well and it ran just fine after that as well.
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How is it sad or pathetic?
If you read the quote, it says Windows now accounts for ~58% of new device sales vs 83% when Windows 7 launched, with the majority of the difference going to Android and iOS. Microsoft needs to expand their marketbase or be left behind, much like the Blackberry was.

They clearly say its 58% of windows devices. Where did you get that incorrect info from?
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Since its launch, Windows 8 has captured just over half (58 percent) of Windows computing device unit sales, compared to the 83 percent Windows 7 accounted for four weeks after that launch.
https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/windows-8-gets-off-to-a-slow-start-according-to-the-npd-group/
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