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I am considering upgrading to a 60D with a 18-200mm lens.

However, currently I have no idea how to use RAWs and no real training on how to properly do photography. Just basically screwed around with my camera till I got it to do whatever I wanted.

Would it be worth it to take a class at a local junior college or just try to learn online? Is that a reasonable jump in camera level?

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You can find out all the basics online. And I'd just stick with the XSi especially since you're learning the basics.
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Originally Posted by Marin View Post

You can find out all the basics online. And I'd just stick with the XSi especially since you're learning the basics.

Totally this.

Plus your local junior/community college will start you off with film and not digital. If you're interesting in taking a photography class there might a be a local workshop that will teach you the basics and some.
    
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Thanks guys. Have any websites or tutorials in particular to suggest? Otherwise, I think a good starting place for me is looking into how to use raws.
    
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1. Switch to RAW
2. Process with software like Photoshop, Lightroom, Capture One, Bridge, whatever
3. You're now using RAW
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The 60D is not a great upgrade over a Rebel.
Lacks a lot of the xxD features, as it was introduced in parallel with the 7D with which it shares sensor etc, so it deliberately was focusing on "prosumer" features, getting stripped of almost all the "pro" features the xxD line had before the 7D.

Plus Rebels have all that you need to start shooting Raw and getting around serious photography.

If you have money to spend on photo gear, plan on getting better lenses and/or a couple of speedlights for a small home studio.

95% of the image quality in proper light conditions are in the lens, so getting what you think is a better body, will offer you nearly no picture quality advantage using the same lens. Specifically the 18-200 and all super-zooms, are consider mediocre lenses as far as IQ goes.

Great travel lenses - don't make the mistake to consider them crap - but still as far as IQ goes, the more zoom ratio a lens has (tele end / wide end in mm), the more compromises the designer had to make.

On of the best zoom lenses you can get in the canon line imho, is the 15-85 IS.
I own the 17-55 2.8 IS and it is easily my most used lens, but for a walk around lens that makes far less compromises than the 18-200, I would definitely pick the 15-85 IS over mine.
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I actually want the 18-200mm lens because I love to travel.

Well I guess I have some learnin to do over Christmas break.
    
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I actually want the 18-200mm lens because I love to travel.
Well I guess I have some learnin to do over Christmas break.

The EF-S 15-85 IS is an amazingly versatile lens.
It covers wide angle, which imho is vastly more important than tele for walk around/travel photos, allowing you to fit buildings, people, tight spaces etc in your frame.
The 85mm @ a crop camera is actually also a pretty handy short tele.
At the same time it is quite fast @ f/3.5-4.5, and the IS is pretty effective for available light (no flash) photos.

All in all the 15-85 is an excellent travel and all-around lens.

I know that most "young" photographers, are impressed by long tele lenses etc, but if you do a poll among D-SLR owners with 2-3 lenses, the vast majority of them will be using their tele-zooms (usually a 70-200 or a 70-300) in less than 10% of their shots. This has been the case in multiple photography forums I've been a member in, ranging from dpreview to fm and photo.net, to smaller regional forums and groups.

This is also the case for me, owning a 70-200 f/4 L and having "in the family" the ability to borrow the 70-200 2.8 I L, 70-200 f/4 L IS and 300mm f/4 L. Unless I go for bird shoots or visiting a Zoo, the lens of choice is the 17-55 IS, followed by my Sigma 50 1.4 for portraits.

If you have the money to drop on a 60D + 18-200, you can most likely afford to keep your Rebel and add a 15-85 IS and if you really need/want/got to have a tele-zoom, get the 70-200 f/4 L non IS, and be comfortable knowing that you own two of the best value for money lenses you can find regardless of system/mount in the market today - if not the best.

The 70-200 blows any wide-tele zoom.
EF-S 18-200 vs 70-200 f/4 L is like Ivy bridge vs. P4 here, no kidding (you can guess which is Ivy).
Virtually un-challenged by zoom lenses cheaper than $750-800, and beating some in the $1000 range (that might offer 2.8 maximum aperture tho). Still after your "honey moon" with it, I bet the 15-85 will rarely leave your body thumb.gif
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Thanks again. Lenses are expensive O_o

I have a 18-55mm and a 75-300mm and it just always seemed while I was traveling that just a bit more zoom would be really nice. Things like signs in Japan would often be too small in my 17-55mm and many times I wasn't carrying my 70-300 or the time to change lenses was just a bit prohibitive.

I suppose I'm never looking to become a pro, I just want to have some good photos to go along with writing when I get the chance.
    
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Yep, lenses are expensive, but they also tend to retain their value better (the 135L I got for trading ~$300 worth of triggers is still worth about $800, close to 90% of retail, whereas the 5D Mark II I purchased in February is worth ~$1300, down ~40% (this is a bit of a misnomer due to the release of the 5D3 though). Historically, good quality glass retains its value (17-85 for example is a decent EF-S lens that keeps a good chunk of its value).

Also, Marin's advice is good in regards to shooting and working with raw files. If you want to learn Raw, the easiest thing to do is pick up a reasonably priced program (Lightroom tends to be under $100) and lets you do most of the stuff you would want to do to clean up photos and improve workflow / manage your photos).
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