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Backup whatever you want on that drive now, because it's toast.
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If you're on the market for any kind of storage medium, i'd place warranty before any other factor - this is why i'm now going strictly Western Digital (for HDD's, at least).
I've had terrible luck over the past year from failing drives that display these exact symptoms prior to their death.
The drives i had that died were also OEM, and to my memory, had no warranty. I was pretty much screwed and it's a mistake i don't intend to repeat. Data loss sucks.

Yea I agree with you. I have a 6 year old WD external HDD and it still is pretty darn fast and reliable.

Would you guys agree with me that it would be too much to reswap all my drives around to send my entire laptop back to Lenovo for just one failing part? Instead, should I just buy another laptop HDD and sell this piece of junk?

Regardless of what I do, my HDD will still be in a caddy in my ODD bay (for heat reasons), reaching SATA II speeds. But I shouldn't be getting pathetic speeds like this. I hope the cause of the failing HDD is not because it's in a caddy now, since I know it isn't recommended to do this with SSD's.
Edited by apav - 12/4/12 at 3:10am
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So this is the HDD I currently have, go figure Lenovo ships laptops with these, it's a cheap piece of crap:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148914

I really don't want to return my whole laptop for reasons stated above, so I may just sell this faulty drive and buy myself one of these. If I do get a new laptop HDD, I'm looking at the top three from newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148591
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145361
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136856

Not sure if I would trust another Seagate Momentus drive, and it is the most expensive.

What do you guys think I should do, and which one to get? Thanks! Sorry for the double post.
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I'm partial to Hitachi's Travelstars, but the Scorpio Blacks are also very nice. I'm hesitant to recommend anything Seagate at this point.

I happen to have something that may interest you, so I'm going to shoot you a PM.
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For the bechmark do you want me to do one for Read or Write? It says I need to remove a partition if I want to do a write benchmark, but I don't have a partition on this drive eek.gif
I thought you said this was your OS drive? Partitions can be 100% of the drive. You can't assign a drive letter to an unpartitioned drive.

Well, do you want to overwrite everything on your OS drive with garbage? No? Then stick with the read benchmark. tongue.gif

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Dying drive, most likely.
A symptom i'm all too familiar with as of late. Lost one seagate and two F3's after they had these symptoms.
Regardless of SATA cable swaps, reformats (even low level) etc - the symptoms remained. At best it would go away for a few weeks only to return after a massive BSOD due to the HDD's, then poor transfer rates would return. A few months later, the drive would die.
Now would be a good time to backup data. Mark my words.

It's an HDD that came in my laptop.. and since I swapped around a lot of the drives inside, I can't necessarily send it back =\

Here's a picture of the health tab, I'll do the benchmark as soon as I hear if you need me to do read or write (and how to fix this partition warning):



Is my drive really dying?
455 bad sectors. That drive is toast. How quickly the number goes up can tell you how soon it'll fail... I had one drive go bad at around 200 bad sectors (completely unreadable), but I've seen others climb slowly up to a few thousand, then finally go bad. Regardless, it's on its way out. Pretty soon data will start getting corrupted, if it isn't already. At that point you'll have to do a full reinstall rather than doing a simple Clone with a tool like EaseUs.

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/home/free-backup-software.htm
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That many reallocated sectors definitely points towards a failing drive.

Oh no frown.gif This really is bad luck. I had to reinstall windows onto my HDD after my OS on my SSD was giving me problems. And now my HDD is failing me as well, so that's going to mean another reinstall and setting up my computer again? eek.gif Well, I know for sure now my SSD needs to be RMA'd. I mean, I just looked at it in HDTune:
SSDs use SMART values to represent completely different things. Most programs can't make sense of the values they return. (HDTune certainly doesn't!)

What problems did you have with Windows on your SSD? I don't see anything scary there. M4's are probably the most reliable SSD out there. I'm wondering if you had a software/driver issue - could you explain what was happening?
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I'm going to RMA my SSD but that's easy since I bought it seperately. But my HDD came with my Lenovo laptop. Is there a way just to send the HDD back to the HDD manufacturer rather than sending the whole laptop back to lenovo? That means I have to take out my SSD's, and put my optical drive and HDD back in their regular bays.
Most OEM laptops ship with drives that have no warranty. You'll likely have to buy a new HDD. Most drive manufacturers have a page where you can enter in a drive's serial number (written on the tag stuck to the top of the drive) to check the warranty.

http://support.seagate.com/customer/en-us/warranty_validation.jsp
https://westerndigital.secure.force.com/WarrantyCheck?lang=en
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I really don't want to return my whole laptop for reasons stated above, so I may just sell this faulty drive and buy myself one of these. If I do get a new laptop HDD, I'm looking at the top three from newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148591
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145361
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136856

Not sure if I would trust another Seagate Momentus drive, and it is the most expensive.

What do you guys think I should do, and which one to get? Thanks! Sorry for the double post.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148591

Seagate Momentus XT drives are actually quite reliable. I've deployed a bunch of WD Scorpio Blacks and Seagate Momentus XT's without any issues. I'm up to 4 Momentus XT 500GB's deployed at the moment. No early failures so far, but I've still got years on the warranties.

Edit: I laugh at that sale price, though. On Black Friday they were $50, and for several months before that they were $70. Seems like they jacked up the regular price another $80 just to pretend $90 was something other than highway robbery.

I think you can get it cheaper at NCIX. I'm not quite sure how pricematching works on their US side (I've only ever used the Canadian version of the site), but you can probably order it there for $59.99

Link to drive: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=53491
Pricematch to: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=53491&promoid=1310 at $59.99

Then you place the order and pay. If they don't accept it, they email you and give you a chance to cancel the order.
Edited by Kramy - 12/4/12 at 7:27pm
     
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I thought you said this was your OS drive? Partitions can be 100% of the drive. You can't assign a drive letter to an unpartitioned drive.
Well, do you want to overwrite everything on your OS drive with garbage? No? Then stick with the read benchmark. tongue.gif
455 bad sectors. That drive is toast. How quickly the number goes up can tell you how soon it'll fail... I had one drive go bad at around 200 bad sectors (completely unreadable), but I've seen others climb slowly up to a few thousand, then finally go bad. Regardless, it's on its way out. Pretty soon data will start getting corrupted, if it isn't already. At that point you'll have to do a full reinstall rather than doing a simple Clone with a tool like EaseUs.
http://www.todo-backup.com/products/home/free-backup-software.htm
SSDs use SMART values to represent completely different things. Most programs can't make sense of the values they return. (HDTune certainly doesn't!)
What problems did you have with Windows on your SSD? I don't see anything scary there. M4's are probably the most reliable SSD out there. I'm wondering if you had a software/driver issue - could you explain what was happening?
Most OEM laptops ship with drives that have no warranty. You'll likely have to buy a new HDD. Most drive manufacturers have a page where you can enter in a drive's serial number (written on the tag stuck to the top of the drive) to check the warranty.
http://support.seagate.com/customer/en-us/warranty_validation.jsp
https://westerndigital.secure.force.com/WarrantyCheck?lang=en
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148591
Seagate Momentus XT drives are actually quite reliable. I've deployed a bunch of WD Scorpio Blacks and Seagate Momentus XT's without any issues. I'm up to 4 Momentus XT 500GB's deployed at the moment. No early failures so far, but I've still got years on the warranties.
Edit: I laugh at that sale price, though. On Black Friday they were $50, and for several months before that they were $70. Seems like they jacked up the regular price another $80 just to pretend $90 was something other than highway robbery.
I think you can get it cheaper at NCIX. I'm not quite sure how pricematching works on their US side (I've only ever used the Canadian version of the site), but you can probably order it there for $59.99
Link to drive: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=53491
Pricematch to: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=53491&promoid=1310 at $59.99
Then you place the order and pay. If they don't accept it, they email you and give you a chance to cancel the order.

Ah I see. My HDD is my system drive. About the problems with my M4, please read a troubleshooting thread I made a couple weeks back here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-debugging/264570-lots-problems-after-windows-update-using-verifier.html

From the logs I attached in one of the posts we figured out for sure that this was a failing SSD. Remember that this is when I had my SSD as my OS drive, but then I backuped all my files, reinstalled Windows on my HDD and formatted my SSD. Going to rma it soon.

And just to give you an idea of the speed of the failure rate, I am now up to 483. Will be buying something by the end of this week.

Also, just noticed this (because I have my fan always blowing on my laptop) but I do hear a fair bit of noise coming from this drive. I feel like most laptop HDDs
are not that loud unless you are specifically trying to hear it, but in complete silence there is a very noticeable humming sound coming from my HDD. Also the vibration is just as noticeable too (and borderline annoying when I rest my wrists on the laptop) but I think that's a normal thing for all laptop drives no? So I don't really pay any attention to it.

Hmm what to equate the sound level to, it sounds about the same loudness as the noise you would get from when you first put a disk into your odd drive and it starts to read it at full speed. So it sounds like I have a cd always running (and noise is coming from my odd bay, so it's like an exact match for the sound).
Edited by apav - 12/5/12 at 7:29am
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Also, just noticed this (because I have my fan always blowing on my laptop) but I do hear a fair bit of noise coming from this drive. I feel like most laptop HDDs
are not that loud unless you are specifically trying to hear it, but in complete silence there is a very noticeable humming sound coming from my HDD. Also the vibration is just as noticeable too (and borderline annoying when I rest my wrists on the laptop) but I think that's a normal thing for all laptop drives no? So I don't really pay any attention to it.

Hmm what to equate the sound level to, it sounds about the same loudness as the noise you would get from when you first put a disk into your odd drive and it starts to read it at full speed. So it sounds like I have a cd always running (and noise is coming from my odd bay, so it's like an exact match for the sound).
Hmm... motor failure, perhaps? I'm not well versed in what parts cause the failures, but I can spot one coming with ease thanks to having ears and SMART charts. It's definitely on its way out - soon!

It went up ~30 bad sectors in how many days? Hmm... I hope it lasts until the new drive arrives. redface.gif
     
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Actually I am considering getting an external HDD instead of an internal now, as my system files will be back on my SSD after I RMA it, this drive doesn't have to be plugged in all the time.

Let's say I find an external 7200 RPM HDD using the same internal HDD. Would it run faster with USB 3.0 or as SATA II (in a caddy in my ODD bay)?

If SATA II is faster I'll still go with the internal one.

Edit: Looking at the external HDD drives, they aren't many 7200 rpm drives, so I guess internal is the way to go then.
Edited by apav - 12/5/12 at 5:28pm
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Actually I am considering getting an external HDD instead of an internal now, as my system files will be back on my SSD after I RMA it, this drive doesn't have to be plugged in all the time.
Let's say I find an external 7200 RPM HDD using the same internal HDD. Would it run faster with USB 3.0 or as SATA II (in a caddy in my ODD bay)?
If SATA II is faster I'll still go with the internal one.
Edit: Looking at the external HDD drives, they aren't many 7200 rpm drives, so I guess internal is the way to go then.

I'd go for an internal SATA drive over any USB one anyday.

USB storage takes noticeably longer than SATA when transferring large files in my experience.
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