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Core i5 series CPUs are just fine for gaming. You don't need to spend extra $100 over Core i5 for Core i7 'cause there is no real benefit in gaming.

Water cooling is efficient and silent way to cool your CPU in case you plan to overclock. You need somebody skilled to assemble your PC and water cooling system.

I chose this motherboard over others for it's digital power. It has also the decent audio chip.

DDR3 1600 Mhz is a sweet spot. Anything over this speed is a waste of money and you don't feel the difference except in synthetic benchmarks. 8 GB is a bare minimum for today's PC. If anything, you will upgrade to 16 GB in the future without any hassle.

Samsung's new 840 Pro series are the fastest SSDs available on the market hands down. Samsung can also boast the reliability of their drives too. Avoid Sandforce based SSDs. They had severe problems in the past with the firmwares and aren't known for reliability.

Western Digital's hard drives are far more reliable and offer longer warranty than Seagate. Those drive are the newest model available and utilize 1 TB platters which offer quite fast write/read speeds, above 180 MB/s. I added two of them because I think you wanted 2 TB storage.

7970 GHz Edition is the fastest single GPU solution on the market and with newest Never Settle (12.11) drivers you should be able to game comfortable. 3GB VRAM should last for at least 3 years. Gigabyte is the only vendor that offers this GPU for the least price.

650W PSU is sufficient for your build, but for overclocking or two card solution more wattage is needed. So I settled 850W 80 Plus Gold PSU, which is made by Silverstone, quite a good company and is sold for a reasonable price.

Unfortunately there is not a good choice of PC monitors in Canada. 120 Hz monitors are great. Once you use them, you never go back. I was going to offer Samsung 120 Hz monitor, but I couldn't find one in Canada, so instead you will have to use Acer.

I don't have much understanding in gaming keyboards or mouses, so I had to go with the parts that somebody above me suggested.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($164.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.12 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.79 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.79 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($138.53 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($468.98 @ NCIX)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ATX Full Tower Case ($124.79 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($183.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($57.20 @ DirectCanada)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($280.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($105.99 @ Computer Valley)
Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($87.36 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Total: $2124.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 03:16 EST-0500)
Edited by wanna_buy - 12/4/12 at 12:18am
post #12 of 47
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Originally Posted by wanna_buy View Post

Core i5 series CPUs are just fine for gaming. You don't need to spend extra $100 over Core i5 for Core i7 'cause there is no real benefit in gaming.
Water cooling is efficient and silent way to cool your CPU in case you plan to overclock. You need somebody skilled to assemble your PC and water cooling system.
I chose this motherboard over others for it's digital power. It has also the decent audio chip.
DDR3 1600 Mhz is a sweet spot. Anything over this speed is a waste of money and you don't feel the difference except in synthetic benchmarks. 8 GB is a bare minimum for today's PC. If anything, you will upgrade to 16 GB in the future without any hassle.
Samsung's new 840 Pro series are the fastest SSDs available on the market hands down. Samsung can also boast the reliability of their drives too. Avoid Sandforce based SSDs. They had severe problems in the past with the firmwares and aren't known for reliability.
Western Digital's hard drives are far more reliable and offer longer warranty than Seagate. Those drive are the newest model available and utilize 1 TB platters which offer quite fast write/read speeds, above 180 MB/s. I added two of them because I think you wanted 2 TB storage.
7970 GHz Edition is the fastest single GPU solution on the market and with newest Never Settle (12.11) drivers you should be able to game comfortable. 3GB VRAM should last for at least 3 years. Gigabyte is the only vendor that offers this GPU for the least price.
650W PSU is sufficient for your build, but for overclocking or two card solution more wattage is needed. So I settled 850W 80 Plus Gold PSU, which is made by Silverstone, quite a good company and is sold for a reasonable price.
Unfortunately there is not a good choice of PC monitors in Canada. 120 Hz monitors are great. Once you use them, you never go back. I was going to offer Samsung 120 Hz monitor, but I couldn't find one in Canada, so instead you will have to use Acer.
I don't have much understanding in gaming keyboards or mouses, so I had to go with the parts that somebody above me suggested.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($164.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.12 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.79 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.79 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($138.53 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($468.98 @ NCIX)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ATX Full Tower Case ($124.79 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($183.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($57.20 @ DirectCanada)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($280.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($105.99 @ Computer Valley)
Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($87.36 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Total: $2124.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 03:16 EST-0500)

I'd change a couple of things with that.. For starters a PSU that is half the cost or less will suffice. I'd get 2x 7950's as it's better value/money and there is a difference if the build is using a 120Hz monitor. I'd get a single 1TB drive or a single 2TB drive, a 128GB Samsung 830 as it's cheaper and better then the regular 840. I'd go with a Z77x-UD3H as the OP won't be doing anything crazy, maybe a UD5H but again probably not worth it to the OP. The G510 can be found cheaper on eBay (new) from the logitech shop and the same goes for the mouse too. I'd suggest a G400 over the G9x also.
 
Seven Seven Five
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Convertible i5 3570k (De-Lidded) Gigabyte Z77x-D3H XFX R9 290 With Koolance Block (1179/1450) 16GB G-Skill Ares 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 Evo Seagate Barracuda 2TB 1x OEM DVD Drives Heatkiller Rev 3.0 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC RX360 Laing D5 + XSPC Res Primochill Bloodshed Red Tubing Koolance Fullcover R9 290x Block 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
XSPC EX360 Windows 10 Pro x64 Asus VEH228H Asus VE228H 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Aavara TS742 Dual Monitor Stand Ducky Shine II Cherry Blue RED Backlit Mechanic... Silverstone Strider 850W Thermaltake Core x71 Tempered Glass Riing Edition 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Zowie FK1 House of Stealth Microlab Solo6c Logitech C100 Webcam 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Celeron N3160 HD Graphics 400 4GB DDR3 4TB WD Red 
Cooling
Some 120mm fan 
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Seven Seven Five
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NASSY
(5 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Convertible i5 3570k (De-Lidded) Gigabyte Z77x-D3H XFX R9 290 With Koolance Block (1179/1450) 16GB G-Skill Ares 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 Evo Seagate Barracuda 2TB 1x OEM DVD Drives Heatkiller Rev 3.0 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC RX360 Laing D5 + XSPC Res Primochill Bloodshed Red Tubing Koolance Fullcover R9 290x Block 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
XSPC EX360 Windows 10 Pro x64 Asus VEH228H Asus VE228H 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Aavara TS742 Dual Monitor Stand Ducky Shine II Cherry Blue RED Backlit Mechanic... Silverstone Strider 850W Thermaltake Core x71 Tempered Glass Riing Edition 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Zowie FK1 House of Stealth Microlab Solo6c Logitech C100 Webcam 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Celeron N3160 HD Graphics 400 4GB DDR3 4TB WD Red 
Cooling
Some 120mm fan 
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post #13 of 47
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Originally Posted by wanna_buy View Post

Core i5 series CPUs are just fine for gaming. You don't need to spend extra $100 over Core i5 for Core i7 'cause there is no real benefit in gaming.
Water cooling is efficient and silent way to cool your CPU in case you plan to overclock. You need somebody skilled to assemble your PC and water cooling system.
I chose this motherboard over others for it's digital power. It has also the decent audio chip.
DDR3 1600 Mhz is a sweet spot. Anything over this speed is a waste of money and you don't feel the difference except in synthetic benchmarks. 8 GB is a bare minimum for today's PC. If anything, you will upgrade to 16 GB in the future without any hassle.
Samsung's new 840 Pro series are the fastest SSDs available on the market hands down. Samsung can also boast the reliability of their drives too. Avoid Sandforce based SSDs. They had severe problems in the past with the firmwares and aren't known for reliability.
Western Digital's hard drives are far more reliable and offer longer warranty than Seagate. Those drive are the newest model available and utilize 1 TB platters which offer quite fast write/read speeds, above 180 MB/s. I added two of them because I think you wanted 2 TB storage.
7970 GHz Edition is the fastest single GPU solution on the market and with newest Never Settle (12.11) drivers you should be able to game comfortable. 3GB VRAM should last for at least 3 years. Gigabyte is the only vendor that offers this GPU for the least price.
650W PSU is sufficient for your build, but for overclocking or two card solution more wattage is needed. So I settled 850W 80 Plus Gold PSU, which is made by Silverstone, quite a good company and is sold for a reasonable price.
Unfortunately there is not a good choice of PC monitors in Canada. 120 Hz monitors are great. Once you use them, you never go back. I was going to offer Samsung 120 Hz monitor, but I couldn't find one in Canada, so instead you will have to use Acer.
I don't have much understanding in gaming keyboards or mouses, so I had to go with the parts that somebody above me suggested.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($164.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.12 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.79 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.79 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($138.53 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($468.98 @ NCIX)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ATX Full Tower Case ($124.79 @ DirectCanada)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($183.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($57.20 @ DirectCanada)
Monitor: Acer GD235HZbid 120Hz 23.6" Monitor ($280.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($105.99 @ Computer Valley)
Mouse: Logitech G9x Wired Laser Mouse ($87.36 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Total: $2124.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 03:16 EST-0500)

Maybe 6 months ago.. now games are liking more threads... i7 is the best feature proof investment. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)













It is Also Shown in this thread a 3570k at 4.8ghz vs a 8350 @ 4.8ghz even tho the 3570k per core performance should be 50% faster it is running neck and neck with the 8350 cause the games are using the Extra threads.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu/0_20
Edited by Hokies83 - 12/4/12 at 12:30am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k 5.2ghz  GIGABYTE G1 Assassin Sniper 3 7950 with Alphacool block 7950 w/ Alphacool Block 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
7950 w/ Alphacool block G.SKILL Trident X 2500mhz 2x4gb SanDisk Extreme 240gb sata III 6gbs x5 SwiftTech Apongee Drive II 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Monsta 360 86mm thick rad X 4 MCP 35X Pump x2 400ML Frozen Q Fusion res x3 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
CatLeap 2560x1440 + Acer hn274h bmiiid 120hz 3D Logitech G19 Corsair Ax1200 watts  Mountain Mods Ascension 
MouseAudio
Logitech M570 Pioneer SP-BS21 Bookshelf Loudspeakers + Lepai Amp 
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i7 3770k 5.2ghz  GIGABYTE G1 Assassin Sniper 3 7950 with Alphacool block 7950 w/ Alphacool Block 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
7950 w/ Alphacool block G.SKILL Trident X 2500mhz 2x4gb SanDisk Extreme 240gb sata III 6gbs x5 SwiftTech Apongee Drive II 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Monsta 360 86mm thick rad X 4 MCP 35X Pump x2 400ML Frozen Q Fusion res x3 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
CatLeap 2560x1440 + Acer hn274h bmiiid 120hz 3D Logitech G19 Corsair Ax1200 watts  Mountain Mods Ascension 
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Logitech M570 Pioneer SP-BS21 Bookshelf Loudspeakers + Lepai Amp 
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post #14 of 47
Just because there is a load on 8 cores doesn't mean the game takes advantage of them. That's just Windows doing load sharing.
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Just because there is a load on 8 cores doesn't mean the game takes advantage of them. That's just Windows doing load sharing.

Then are you saying That 4 Vishera cores with 50% Slower IPC are equal in gaming to the 3570ks Cores clock for clock?

Because if it is not using the extra threads then that is the only answer left.

But how does Vishera match the 4 core 3570k.. But the 3770k Destroys it?
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k 5.2ghz  GIGABYTE G1 Assassin Sniper 3 7950 with Alphacool block 7950 w/ Alphacool Block 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
7950 w/ Alphacool block G.SKILL Trident X 2500mhz 2x4gb SanDisk Extreme 240gb sata III 6gbs x5 SwiftTech Apongee Drive II 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Monsta 360 86mm thick rad X 4 MCP 35X Pump x2 400ML Frozen Q Fusion res x3 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
CatLeap 2560x1440 + Acer hn274h bmiiid 120hz 3D Logitech G19 Corsair Ax1200 watts  Mountain Mods Ascension 
MouseAudio
Logitech M570 Pioneer SP-BS21 Bookshelf Loudspeakers + Lepai Amp 
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i7 3770k 5.2ghz  GIGABYTE G1 Assassin Sniper 3 7950 with Alphacool block 7950 w/ Alphacool Block 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
7950 w/ Alphacool block G.SKILL Trident X 2500mhz 2x4gb SanDisk Extreme 240gb sata III 6gbs x5 SwiftTech Apongee Drive II 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Monsta 360 86mm thick rad X 4 MCP 35X Pump x2 400ML Frozen Q Fusion res x3 Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
CatLeap 2560x1440 + Acer hn274h bmiiid 120hz 3D Logitech G19 Corsair Ax1200 watts  Mountain Mods Ascension 
MouseAudio
Logitech M570 Pioneer SP-BS21 Bookshelf Loudspeakers + Lepai Amp 
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post #16 of 47
Where do you see a FX-8350 matching a 3570K but getting beat by a 3770K in games? In all but a few games, like BF3, the 3570K performs on par with the 3770K because extra cores don't matter much for gaming. Which is why you see everyone recommending the 3570K for gaming machines.

And the answer for why you see the 8350 matching the 3570 is because you are looking at games that aren't CPU limited.
post #17 of 47
The 3570K even beats the 3770K in some games. tongue.gif
post #18 of 47
I suspect the reason he said "no" was not because of the list of parts, but because you were considering buying from a pre-made computer retailer. At least that's what it appears from the formatting of the list of things you were considering. Generally these companies add a high premium to their services, so even if you're getting a reasonable list of parts, you might pay too much.

Building your own computer is generally fairly easy, and even if you don't want to build your own, you can have NCIX put together your computer if you buy your parts through them for a $50 charge.

How would I change the list of parts you have there? I'd get less RAM, a cheaper case, a PSU with less wattage (also cheaper), a higher-quality monitor (more expensive, and that one isn't too bad), probably windows 8 instead of 7, a different SSD (though this isn't a big deal at all), likely a 7950 instead of 7970 (cheaper), a cheaper - or more expensive keyboard (I generally recommend el cheapos or mechanicals, but whatever makes you happy), a different mouse (based on shape preferences - I personally just don't like the big hump most logitechs have).

Most of that above is quibbling though. Overall the system you're currently looking at should probably cost much less than $1800.

If you're considering building on your own and want a more comprehensive parts list (I don't recommend wanna_buy's), let us know what you intend to use the computer for, your goals with it, whether you'll be overclocking, things like that.
    
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post #19 of 47
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If you're considering building on your own and want a more comprehensive parts list (I don't recommend wanna_buy's), let us know what you intend to use the computer for, your goals with it, whether you'll be overclocking, things like that.
Can you evaluate what do you have against my build? I picked the best parts available in the given price range.
post #20 of 47
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Can you evaluate what do you have against my build? I picked the best parts available in the given price range.

Actually, that's kind of what I have against your build! I value cost-efficiency, figuring that at virtually any budget there's something else you can do with money saved on various components. So your build would create a very nice computer, it just costs more than it needs to and thus prevents, say, a better & more expensive monitor setup.

To be more specific:
motherboard
cooler
video card
case
power supply
hard drive (also, two 1TB drives are generally inferior to a single 2TB drive)
and optical drive are all far more expensive than I'd recommend. There are other personal preferences I'd quibble with, namely monitor, mouse and keyboard, but that's mostly because I personally don't like the ergonomics of logitech equipment and prefer bigger IPS screens to 120hz, not because those are inherently bad choices.

Long story short, with more carefully shopping for the above components you can cut costs without cutting performance, allowing for a different monitor, better computer chair, crossfiring 7950s instead of going with a single 7970, something like that.
    
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