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post #1 of 22
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Over the past few days of looking things up online I ended up with a little text file of my results. I'm planning to buy a new computer and have it ordered and arrived a little before Christmas. I'm looking to spend up to $2000.

My text file so far:

$50 - true spirit 140
$255 - samsung 840 pro 256gb ssd
$70 - lg 14x blu-ray burner - maybe just blu-ray reader?
$200 - intel 3570k cpu
$35 - samsung 2x4gb ram kit
$90 - corsair tx650 v2 power supply
$300 - sapphire 7950
$130 - seagate barracuda 3tb
$140 - asrock z77 extreme4 motherboard

$1270 - total

screen choices:

$120 - 24" tn
$180 - 24" 3d (sony 240hz)
$200 - 24" ips
$230 - 27" tn
$330 - 27" ips
$350 - 27" ips 3d

case
mouse
keyboard
speakers?
fans?

When I started out and quickly picked out parts the total did come to around $2000 but I decided to make some cut backs which have me seeing the total come to a little below $1800. That's just from estimating the cost of unpicked parts. My cut backs were basically swapping the 3770k for the 3570k and a 7970 for a 7950. My thinking is to save the money now and put it towards an upgrade in the future.

I'm open to all suggestions and I definitely appreciate a "why it is good" if you suggest something.
post #2 of 22

Would you be interested in upgrading the PSU to a high-end modular unit for only $10 more?  The 550W SeaSonic G Series is $99.99 shipped:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.384 - 1.392V) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail Samsung 2253BW (1680 x 1050) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Microsoft Intellimouse Optical (not 1.1A) Basic, but premium round 
AudioOther
X-Fi Titanium HD Altec Lansing VS4121 (2.1 speaker system) 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.384 - 1.392V) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail Samsung 2253BW (1680 x 1050) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Microsoft Intellimouse Optical (not 1.1A) Basic, but premium round 
AudioOther
X-Fi Titanium HD Altec Lansing VS4121 (2.1 speaker system) 
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post #3 of 22
Hey man

Ok, well i'd ditch the ASRock board for the GA-Z77X-D3H because it's got the better VRMS for overclocking

Have a look at the seasonic 620w or the seasonic X650 I think it is.

If you're getting the 7950, I would really want to push you on the 7970 Ghz edition, those are binned processors and overclock a lot further.

If you're gonna blow $50 on an aftermarket cooler have a look at the H60 - H100, also the silver arrow.

Don't bother with a Blu-ray burner, you'll never ever ever use it.

Case, the silverstone make nice cases, depending on how much you wanna spend maybe the corsair 650D

Don't get a 3tb drive, Go with 2 1TB WD greens, it's purely for storage and in addition to that, replacing a 1tb drive is a lot cheaper than replacing a 3tb drive.

Comps
post #4 of 22
I would ditch the Blu-Ray burner - what's the liklihood of you really burning a Blu-ray disc? - and I would swap the 840 Pro for a Samsung 830. The 830 is going to be just as fast in normal use, and you can save almost a $100 right there. I'd also take TwoCables PSU suggestion - modular is the way to go.
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4770K 4.4 (36 uncore)@1.332V Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H XFX R9 290 flashed to 290X @ 1180/1375 16GB DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingMonitor
Samsung 830 WD Caviar Black NZXT Kraken X60 NEC 2490wuxi 
PowerAudioAudio
Corsair HX750 Asus Essence STX Beyerdynamic DT880 600 Ohm 
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Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingMonitor
Samsung 830 WD Caviar Black NZXT Kraken X60 NEC 2490wuxi 
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Corsair HX750 Asus Essence STX Beyerdynamic DT880 600 Ohm 
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post #5 of 22
I'd go with something like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qTsl

Edit: Didn't realise you wanted peripherals, I'll get a build up with them in 2 secs.

Here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qUvL

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($116.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($114.00 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G500 Wired Laser Mouse ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1376.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 14:26 EST-0500)


I've no idea on what speakers you should get, and you could just pick something like the Arctic F12 and Scytche Slip Stream, they're quite good. I think.

Edit: Just realised that build doesn't have a modular PSU, get something like the Seasonic x750, or the 700W Rosewill Hive.
Edited by Mhyles - 12/4/12 at 11:31am
post #6 of 22

Why not spend $16.01 more on the 550W SeaSonic G Series?

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

 

It's a high-end modular PSU.

 

(I posted this a couple of posts up, but I feel that this PSU is worth more than one mention)

    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.384 - 1.392V) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail Samsung 2253BW (1680 x 1050) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Microsoft Intellimouse Optical (not 1.1A) Basic, but premium round 
AudioOther
X-Fi Titanium HD Altec Lansing VS4121 (2.1 speaker system) 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.384 - 1.392V) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:) Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail Samsung 2253BW (1680 x 1050) Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Microsoft Intellimouse Optical (not 1.1A) Basic, but premium round 
AudioOther
X-Fi Titanium HD Altec Lansing VS4121 (2.1 speaker system) 
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post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Would you be interested in upgrading the PSU to a high-end modular unit for only $10 more?  The 550W SeaSonic G Series is $99.99 shipped:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119
Quote:
Originally Posted by compuman145 View Post

Hey man
Ok, well i'd ditch the ASRock board for the GA-Z77X-D3H because it's got the better VRMS for overclocking
Have a look at the seasonic 620w or the seasonic X650 I think it is.
If you're getting the 7950, I would really want to push you on the 7970 Ghz edition, those are binned processors and overclock a lot further.
If you're gonna blow $50 on an aftermarket cooler have a look at the H60 - H100, also the silver arrow.
Don't bother with a Blu-ray burner, you'll never ever ever use it.
Case, the silverstone make nice cases, depending on how much you wanna spend maybe the corsair 650D
Don't get a 3tb drive, Go with 2 1TB WD greens, it's purely for storage and in addition to that, replacing a 1tb drive is a lot cheaper than replacing a 3tb drive.
Comps

Picking a PSU was a tossup for me. I had trouble deciding on quality and wattage. In the end I just want one good enough to power a top of the line CPU and single GPU, both overclocked. I went with the Corsair because of its' non exorbitant price, seasonic innards, and 140mm fan. I hadn't looked at the 550w seasonic g series. How does it being 550w compare to others being 650w? I did look at the seasonic x650 which looked nice. I actually just looked and I see it for sale for only $100. Would you guys suggest I go with that? Also I don't really see the importance of high efficiency and modular ones. I myself am more concerned with performance like the parts on the inside, ripple and noise, and potential to go above the rated wattage. Could someone explain to me how the two go together, their point of view, and why a gold rated one really counts as being more high end?

Can you cite where you're getting that the GA-Z77X-D3H has better VRMs? I read these articles:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-express-ivy-bridge-benchmark,3254.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6296/gigabyte-z77xup4-th-review-thunderbolt-times-two/6

Can you point out where the GA-Z77X-D3H is winning?

The cheapest 7970 ghz edition I see for sale is $450 while the 7950 is $300. I do see the 7970 ghz edition clearly outperforming the 7950:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=618

So I have two questions. Is it worth the price increase to get the 7970 ghz edition. And if I was going to change from the 7950 would I not be better off getting a normal 7970 which I see selling for $380? Keep in mind any money I save goes towards an upgrade in the future like an 8970.

Picking a cooler was also a rough one. Right off the bat I want something that performs better than the hyper 212 I always see being mentioned. I will note now I don't really care for the closed loop water coolers as I'm under the impression they have their fair share of problems, can be noisy, and cool on par with equally priced air coolers. I should also mention, throughout the build noise is definitely something I'm keeping in mind. I had looked at coolers like the noctua d14 and the silver arrow. I decided on the true spirit 140 because it is similar to the thermalright archon, which I believe performs on par with the silver arrow, it includes the chill factor 3 paste, has a quiet fan, and is a good $30 cheaper than the others.

As for the blu-ray burner I think you all are right and I shouldn't bother with it. I guess I chose it as a sort of novelty. I'll switch to a dvd burner. Can anyone recommend a good one and tell me why it is good? I know there are a handful on newegg all for about the same price and I was reading that they can have different chips like NEC versus mediatek.

I don't see the reasoning at all behind the idea to switch to two 1tb green drives. They would perform slower and together would cost more than the 3tb drive.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

I would ditch the Blu-Ray burner - what's the liklihood of you really burning a Blu-ray disc? - and I would swap the 840 Pro for a Samsung 830. The 830 is going to be just as fast in normal use, and you can save almost a $100 right there. I'd also take TwoCables PSU suggestion - modular is the way to go.

Switching to the samsung 830 from the samsung 840 pro is a valid argument in my mind. I did check out:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/665?vs=532

Seeing as I don't see myself replacing the SSD too soon I think it is worth it for me to start out with the fastest one available.


I'll continue to look into the other parts when I have more time and I look forward to everyone's responses. I was checking out removing the IHS and putting better paste. I think it's something I want to do. What are your thoughts on it?
post #8 of 22
Seasonic makes PSU for Corsair, so they are the same.

Gold, silver, etc, is how efficient a PSU is. In other words, how well a PSU saves you money on your electric bill each month.
post #9 of 22
Sorry about the delay,

Ok it's well known that the ASrock uses the old D-PAK MOSFETs which tend to get hotter. People have stripped the heatsinks off and that is what they are shown.

The 7970 ghz edition will also overclock a lot more, run cooler and use less voltage, again they are binned processors, you're paying for the premium of having the best silicon in the chip, also when the 12.11 drivers go golden that will be a huge boost as well.

To be honest, the X650 for $100 is a very good buy, I would seriously go with that. The differences between bronze silver and gold are basically ripple effect and the cleanness of the power they provide. To be brutally honest you could sleep well at night just having a bronze rated PSU.

As for DVD burners, just go with a optiarc drive, they are pretty good, but to be honest any drive will do. You don't get better or worse ones, as long as it reads the disk who cares biggrin.gif

As for the green drives, you're using these for storage, you don't need the fastest drive possible but it's up to you, if you loose 3tb of data you'll be kicking yourself though biggrin.gif

Comps
Edited by compuman145 - 12/5/12 at 2:00am
post #10 of 22
And yes, i would rather have 3 small HDD drives, then one large HDD drive. Its better to lose some data then all data do to failed HDD.

Personally, i have triple copies of all my important data across various size drives. Drives vary from 320Gb, to 500 and 1,000, i have two if each.

I also have burn and re-burn data on to a DVD-RW disk every 6 month.

Im not paranoid, not add or ocd, just cautious.
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