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Picking a PSU was a tossup for me. I had trouble deciding on quality and wattage. In the end I just want one good enough to power a top of the line CPU and single GPU, both overclocked.

 

Any quality-made 550W power supply is actually plenty for this:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7970_review,8.html

 

With one 7970 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 355W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so 150W needs to be added for an overclocked 3570K under full load.  So with the 3570k overclocked and under full load at the same time as the 7970, the PSU would be pulling about 500W from the wall outlet (505W).  If the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 505W from the wall outlet, then that means the system is pulling 429W from the PSU.  Again, this is if the 7970 and the 3570K are under full load simultaneously.  Even if the PSU is pulling 600W from the wall outlet (100W more than my previous calculation!), then that's still only about 510W being pulled from the PSU.

 

Quality-made power supplies like the ones I prefer to recommend are rated for how much power they can continuously deliver "24/7" if it's ever needed.  So, a quality-made 550W unit can continuously deliver 550W if it's ever needed which means it's more than plenty for a system with one video card in it - even if it's an overclocked 7970.

 

 

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I went with the Corsair because of its' non exorbitant price, seasonic innards, and 140mm fan. I hadn't looked at the 550w seasonic g series. How does it being 550w compare to others being 650w?

 

That depends on which PSUs you're comparing it to.  The +12V rail is where the system gets the vast majority of its power (proof).  The +12V capacity of the 550W SeaSonic G Series is 540W.  The TX650 V2's +12V capacity is 636W.  However, the TX650 V2 is just a SeaSonic S12II which is a good PSU, but it's nothing like the G Series.  The G Series is a higher quality unit, and plus it's modular.  For $89.99 shipped, I feel that this is one of those "no-brainer" situations.  I mean, if all you are ever going to have is one video card, then this should last you "forever".

 

 

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I did look at the seasonic x650 which looked nice. I actually just looked and I see it for sale for only $100. Would you guys suggest I go with that?

 

If you mean $100 shipped, then I don't see why not even though this would be more appropriate for a Crossfire setup.  It's an even better unit, and it's fully modular as opposed to just being mostly modular.

 

 

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Also I don't really see the importance of high efficiency and modular ones. I myself am more concerned with performance like the parts on the inside, ripple and noise, and potential to go above the rated wattage. Could someone explain to me how the two go together, their point of view, and why a gold rated one really counts as being more high end?

 

Quality-made modular PSUs like the ones I prefer to recommend are every bit as good as quality-made non-modular PSUs.  I mean, these days, good modular PSUs are made so well now that there's no longer any reason to worry about how they compare to their non-modular counterparts.  Additionally, there are many modular units that are dramatically superior to some good non-modular PSUs.  I think that we're looking at a future where non-modular PSUs may begin to start being slowly phased out (like, maybe beginning in 5-10 years).  I mean, the modular design is just superior because it makes the PSU easier to install, easier to replace, and it makes cable management easier.  With the existence of all these high-quality modular PSUs on the market, the only good reason to get a non-modular PSU these days is if the budget doesn't allow for it.

 

Any PSU that we recommend will be superior in terms of the internal quality, ripple, noise, etc.

 

We're not saying that a Gold rated PSU counts as being more high end.  It's just that the unit happens to be a Gold-rated unit.  So, we're not judging the PSU by the 80+ rating because the 80+ rating is never an indication of the unit's quality.  It's just that these PSUs are so well-made in this respect that they meet the requirements to receive the 80+ Gold (or even 80+ Platinum) certification.  However, that 80+ certification stuff is more marketing hype than anything.

 

Don't get me wrong, though.  The efficiency of a PSU is important because it is referring to how much power is lost as heat.  So, let's say someone's system pulls exactly 400W from the PSU while playing Crysis.  Here's how much PSUs would have to pull from the wall in order to deliver 400W for different efficiencies:

 

  1. 80%:  500W from the wall to make 400W
  2. 85%:  471W from the wall to make 400W
  3. 90%:  445W from the wall to make 400W
  4. 92%:  435W from the wall to make 400W

 

So, the efficiency is important, but not as important as the advertisers wants us to believe.

 

In other words, even this unit would be everything you'd ever need if you only ever had one video card:

 

The 550W XFX Pro "Core Edition"

 

It's non-modular, Bronze, has two PCI-E cables (1 x 6-pin, 1 x 6+2-pin), and a decent price of $75.98 after shipping, and then $65.98 after the rebate.  Although, the 550W SeaSonic G Series is $89.99 shipped, and it's a much better unit - and it's modular.  It also has 2 x 6+2-pin PCI-E cables.

 

 

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Seasonic makes PSU for Corsair, so they are the same.
Gold, silver, etc, is how efficient a PSU is. In other words, how well a PSU saves you money on your electric bill each month.

 

Corsair does use SeaSonic for some of their PSUs, but not for all of them:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/654983/on-corsair-psus

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I'd go with something like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qTsl
Edit: Didn't realise you wanted peripherals, I'll get a build up with them in 2 secs.
Here: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qUvL
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($116.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($114.00 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G500 Wired Laser Mouse ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1376.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 14:26 EST-0500)
I've no idea on what speakers you should get, and you could just pick something like the Arctic F12 and Scytche Slip Stream, they're quite good. I think.
Edit: Just realised that build doesn't have a modular PSU, get something like the Seasonic x750, or the 700W Rosewill Hive.
This, but I would go for a different case. Might want to spend a bit more on the case, make it look pwetty. A 550D is a nice case or the Switch 810. It isn't necessary but it will add a little bit to the PC. As for the PSU go with an Corsair AX650. One of the best 650 watts out there.
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Sorry about the delay,
Ok it's well known that the ASrock uses the old D-PAK MOSFETs which tend to get hotter. People have stripped the heatsinks off and that is what they are shown.
The 7970 ghz edition will also overclock a lot more, run cooler and use less voltage, again they are binned processors, you're paying for the premium of having the best silicon in the chip, also when the 12.11 drivers go golden that will be a huge boost as well.
To be honest, the X650 for $100 is a very good buy, I would seriously go with that. The differences between bronze silver and gold are basically ripple effect and the cleanness of the power they provide. To be brutally honest you could sleep well at night just having a bronze rated PSU.
As for DVD burners, just go with a optiarc drive, they are pretty good, but to be honest any drive will do. You don't get better or worse ones, as long as it reads the disk who cares biggrin.gif
As for the green drives, you're using these for storage, you don't need the fastest drive possible but it's up to you, if you loose 3tb of data you'll be kicking yourself though biggrin.gif
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I was just searching and found:

http://sinhardware.com/images/vrm.jpg

I see what you mean about the VRMs. What I like about the extreme4 is it has the best audio chip, 2 pcie 3.0 slots, 4 sata 6gbs ports, in benchmarks it booted the quickest, and from xfast has the best usb speeds besides asus. Just looking at VRMs it looks to me like asus and gigabyte have the best ones. Would you say that's correct? Now my question is what kind of difference do the different VRMs make when it comes to me say overclocking the 3570k to 4.5ghz? I'm leaning towards sticking with the extreme4 unless I am otherwise persuaded. Maybe you can tell me other reasons or in more detail why an asus or gigabyte board would be better.

Now I just read:

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/34761-amd-hd-7950-vs-hd-7970-clocks/

After reading that I really can't see dishing out the extra money for a 7970 let alone the ghz edition. The ghz edition would cost me $150 more than a 7950. You're welcome to show me a different benchmark which shows it as being worth the extra money.

Perhaps I don't see the allure of multiple drives because I've never had one go bad on me but I think I'm going to stick with the 3tb one. It's faster, larger, and cheaper.

TwoCables:

Thanks for the response. I appreciate you telling me about measuring at the wall in relation to efficiency to get actual usage. It's tough picking stuff when so many things are for sale. I'll go for the seasonic x650, which to be exact I can get for $104 shipped, since it's better and hardly more money. The only other thing I would consider is the seasonic x560 for $116 but is it worth paying more for a little newer design even though it is weaker? And by the way I appreciate you backing up what you said with sources so I could feel confident in your advise. In my opinion too many people make claims without the stuff to back it up.

As for the fastest SSD is there any conclusive data on which one that is? I've looked at a lot of benchmarks which show the samsung 840 pro, ocz vector, corsair neutron gtx, and plextor m5 pro all performing very similarly. Is there any clear winner?


This is what I have so far:

$50 - true spirit 140
$255 - samsung 840 pro 256gb ssd
$20 - sony optiarc dvd burner
$200 - intel 3570k cpu
$35 - samsung 2x4gb ram kit
$100 - seasonic x650
$300 - sapphire 7950
$130 - seagate barracuda 3tb
$135 - asrock z77 extreme4 motherboard

$1225 - total

I still have to settle on a case, screen, mouse, and keyboard. Thanks for the help getting me this far. smile.gif
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TwoCables

I never said that Seasonic makes ALL psu for Corsair. Plus your link is 3 years old.

Seasonic makes one of the best if not the Best PSU's, and there is no reason for Corsair to buy cheap PSU's from Seasonic for Corsairs low line of PSUs.
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TwoCables:
Thanks for the response. I appreciate you telling me about measuring at the wall in relation to efficiency to get actual usage.

 

You're welcome!  :)

 

 

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TwoCables:
It's tough picking stuff when so many things are for sale. I'll go for the seasonic x650, which to be exact I can get for $104 shipped, since it's better and hardly more money. The only other thing I would consider is the seasonic x560 for $116 but is it worth paying more for a little newer design even though it is weaker?

 

As far as I know, I think the X-560 is only marginally better and not really worth spending the extra money for it in this case (if I remember correctly, I think that it's like splitting fine hairs).  The power capacity is of no concern though if all you're ever going to have is one video card.  I mean, you could probably get away with a top-of-the-line 450W power supply, especially considering how each new generation of video cards requires less power than the previous one.  Still, the X-650 will be there for you if you ever decided to have two high-end video cards.

 

 

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And by the way I appreciate you backing up what you said with sources so I could feel confident in your advise. In my opinion too many people make claims without the stuff to back it up.

 

You're very welcome.  I noticed the same thing, and so it kind of motivates me to work even harder than I probably otherwise would at making sure I qualify myself to the best of my ability each and every time.  I guess I'm hoping that it'll cause more and more people to do the same.

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TwoCables
I never said that Seasonic makes ALL psu for Corsair.

 

Oh.  Well in my defense, that's how it came across to me.  I'm not saying that I think you intended it to come across that way, but that's just how I saw it.

 

I think the reason why I interpreted it that way is there are still too many people who think all Corsair PSUs are made by SeaSonic, and it's currently a pet peeve of mine.

 

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Plus your link is 3 years old.

 

No, it was last updated on September 9th, 2011.  Sure, that's still 1 year old, but it's current enough to be relevant and accurate.  If you still want to dispute its relevancy or accuracy, then ask Phaedrus2129 about that article.

 

 

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Seasonic makes one of the best if not the Best PSU's, and there is no reason for Corsair to buy cheap PSU's from Seasonic for Corsairs low line of PSUs.

 

Well, I bet they would if it would increase their profits substantially enough.

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Profit works two ways; Sell alot of product at low price, or sell fewer products at high price. At the end of the day, same product quality stays the same. Its all about companies strategy, market share and boards decision.
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Either way, paid2kill is receiving the assistance he came here for, and that's really my only concern.

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I was looking around and I found the true spirit 140 as well as the macho rev a for $40 shipped. (http://www.nansgaminggear.net)
Do you know which performs better?

Also with a case I'm at a loss kind of. I see so many which look pretty much the same. I'm not worried about apparence at all. I don't care if there is a side window or not, the color, that kind of stuff. I would like it to be a case that will last me though of course. I'd like rubber grommets for cable routing, the ability to install a 120mm by 240mm radiator if I wanted in the future, it to be wide enough to accommodate the true spirit 140, usb 3.0, and preferably come with sufficient fans so I don't need others. Dust filters and a fan controller wouldn't hurt but I'm not worried about them. Some I see are:

Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020

NZXT Phantom 410 CA-PH410-B1 Red Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146086

Thermaltake Level 10 Series Level 10 GTS Snow Edition White SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133198

Corsair Vengeance Series C70 Gunmetal Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139013

NZXT Crafted Series Tempest 410 Elite Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146080

RAIDMAX Seiran ATX-902WB Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156269

Thermaltake Chaser MK-I (VN300M1W2N) Black SECC ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133191

Rosewill THOR V2 Gaming ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147053

COOLER MASTER HAF XM RC-922XM-KKN1 Latch Side Panel w/ 2 x 200mm Fan Black Mesh, Plastic, Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119257

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

Any idea which is best?

For a mouse I'm thinking one of these two:

COOLER MASTER Recon SGM-4001-KLLW1 Black 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 4000 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826570020

RAZER ABYSSUS Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 3500 dpi High Precision Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153056

Suggestions? I'm open to other choices too.

For a keyboard I just want one that is mechanical. I don't know that I care if it is back-lit or not. I'm thinking either one of the cooler master quickfires or one of the razer black widows. Again, what do you all think? smile.gif
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For a mechanical keyboard, I recommend seeking help here:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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