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We're a long way from a 3d printer that can make usefull everyday crimecomitting stuff.
It doesn't matter how far away it is, people shouldn't have access to guns that easily. This would bypass every check put in place to stop certain people gaining access to them.

Not really. A 3D printer is harder to get than a gun. Especially if you live in a city where there's any kind of black market.
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Not really. A 3D printer is harder to get than a gun. Especially if you live in a city where there's any kind of black market.

And especially consumer ones... those don't have tolerances anywhere NEAR what a gun would require to not blow up in your hands, and won't for years.
    
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Indeed! lol.

Man, I would love to do an AR project! We're modder's & OC'ers here. I think that translates well to firepower too biggrin.gif .

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Enjoy England. Here we have a Second Amendment.
Maybe Wallmart should just hand out free, un-traceable guns then whenever a customer spends more than $50.00 in store, especially to angry looking skin heads.
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Not really. A 3D printer is harder to get than a gun. Especially if you live in a city where there's any kind of black market.
Yes, at the moment they're are nice and expensive which will put a lot of people off them. However, they will naturally become cheaper over time and if people are able to print whatever they want whenever they want without being monitored then this could become a very serious problem.
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Enjoy England. Here we have a Second Amendment.
Just because there are laws that say it's okay to do whatever doesn't necessarily mean those laws are just or the best way to go about things.

Not that I'm for or against the 2nd Amendment, but "argument from tradition" is a rhetorical fallacy.
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Sorry, I just don't see the big deal here. But then again, I've been dealing with firearms for over 50 years now.
You don't think 3D printers will come down in cost? You don't think that better materials will come around?

That's a bit shortsighted.
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Maybe Wallmart should just hand out free, un-traceable guns then whenever a customer spends more than $50.00 in store, especially to angry looking skin heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29
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Yes, at the moment they're are nice and expensive which will put a lot of people off them. However, they will naturally become cheaper over time and if people are able to print whatever they want whenever they want without being monitored then this could become a very serious problem.

Which is a criminal more likely to do? Purchase a $200 3D printer (in the future assuming they become cheap), purchase/pirate expensive CAD software, learn how to use said CAD software, and print a firearm? Or go purchase a used 9mm for $100 from a black market dealer?

In any case, it's a moot point. 3D printers only create plastic parts, and you can't make a gun out of plastic. A shotgun operates around 8,000 psi, a handgun around 30,000 psi, and a high-powered rifle might be over 60,000 psi. No plastic can contain that kind of pressure. Which brings us back to the previous point...is a criminal going to buy a 3D printer, learn how to use CAD software, print most of a gun, purchase the rest of the parts that can't be printed, and assemble and test it? Or just purchase a used and probably stolen gun from a black market dealer?
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Which is a criminal more likely to do? Purchase a $200 3D printer (in the future assuming they become cheap), purchase/pirate expensive CAD software, learn how to use said CAD software, and print a firearm? Or go purchase a used 9mm for $100 from a black market dealer?
In any case, it's a moot point. 3D printers only create plastic parts, and you can't make a gun out of plastic.
For now. That goes for both statements. You don't know that 3D printing won't involve other materials eventually, and you don't know that plastics won't develop to the point that they'll be able to be used in this application.
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A shotgun operates around 8,000 psi, a handgun around 30,000 psi, and a high-powered rifle might be over 60,000 psi. No plastic can contain that kind of pressure. Which brings us back to the previous point...is a criminal going to buy a 3D printer, learn how to use CAD software, print most of a gun, purchase the rest of the parts that can't be printed, and assemble and test it? Or just purchase a used and probably stolen gun from a black market dealer?
This isn't about printing one gun. This is about printing dozens, hundreds perhaps.
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Now imagining an anon army with 3D printed guns downloaded from 4chan, revolting against a corrupt government.

/begins writing movie.
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I don't really see the big deal about this. These guns are only good for 5-6 shots on a prime piece... enough to do what they need to do (home protection, rob a bank), but no viable for extended use.

As for how hard it is to use the CAD software, it isn't really that hard if you know what you want, plus... there's bound to be templates a plenty out there ready to go. The misnomer that all criminals or people looking to make these guns are stupid/ignorant underestimates the ones we actually need to worry about.

In the end, the people who want guns can get them no matter what. Being able to print what comes down to a 1 time use revolver (5-6 shots, then poof) isn't a big deal. Train yourself in throwing knives or bring a construction grade nail or rivet gun and you can do just as much/more damage. Heck, look at Danny Trejo's character in Desperado biggrin.gif
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This isn't about printing one gun. This is about printing dozens, hundreds perhaps.

So you're worried that the black market will begin to sell 3D-printed guns instead of ones built by traditional firearms manufacturers? Either way, it's still illegal.
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In the end, the people who want guns can get them no matter what. Being able to print what comes down to a 1 time use revolver (5-6 shots, then poof) isn't a big deal. Train yourself in throwing knives or bring a construction grade nail or rivet gun and you can do just as much/more damage. Heck, look at Danny Trejo's character in Desperado biggrin.gif

This x1000. Just about anything can be used as a weapon, if someone wants a weapon to commit a crime with they will use whatever is cheap, easy, and convenient.
Edited by mott555 - 12/4/12 at 6:15am
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