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In other news, US is going to ban spoons because they make people fat.
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In other news, US is going to ban spoons because they make people fat.

FINALLY!... next up... straws for enabling people to more easily circumvent the ban on huge sodas in New York.
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...Again, I'm on the road to obtaining my FFL so I see what's capable...And it's a HUGE deal.
I, quite frankly, can't explain over OCN why it's a big deal but, in essence, we just gave more people a means to a "solution" then ever had the means, before.
Actually, metal fab shops have very strict laws in regards to this entire scenario so, I'll disagree.
Let's put it in a way you can all understand...Civilians are restricted from owning certain distance weapons for a reason...These are NOT available on the black market, much less the civilian market...We've essentially just alerted most of them how to easily fab weapons capable of reaching over 1.5miles...
Most of the people in this category aren't gangsters that hold a gun sideways, again, 1 shot; 1 kill.

Why wouldn't these weapons be available on the black market? Or from a shady pawn shop? Or Are you thinking people are going to be fabbing XM109's? Even if they fabbed the whole gun...are they going to fab the ammo too? Unless you are getting into the realm of a professional killer...they aren't going to worry about getting their guns. They will get what they need.

Plus, it still goes back to the point put forth countless times. If they have the know and then plans to print out a weapon and the ammo on a 3D printer...they can probably do the same thing on a CNC or other metal machining equipment. Yeah, I guess it adds another option, but when the pile of dirty laundry is already knee deep you don't really notice an other pair of socks tossed on top.

If any tracking is put on 3D printers...it is going to come from copyright infringements and not making illegal guns. I am sure some people will be arrested for that, but that will be small time compared to the amount of people that will be in court over making items that some one holds a copyright on. Which will include guns I am sure.
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I work for a major shipper, and here's the kicker concerning the article: The only part of the gun, that makes it a "gun", and hence harder to ship, is the lower. We can ship the upper, barrel, assemblies, etc... but you throw a lower in there and it becomes an FFL issue. Crazy, huh? So print those lowers and order the rest online, ta-da!
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Perfectly legal and has been done for years, if not decades. People have be finishing 80% lowers for ARs since at least the early 90s. This may potentially make the process more common, but is still a nonissue where acquisition by criminals is concerned.

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It doesn't matter how far away it is, people shouldn't have access to guns that easily. This would bypass every check put in place to stop certain people gaining access to them.

'Cause we all know crooks and crazies with records never get a hold of guns... rolleyes.gif
    
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This thread is why we can't have nice things.
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Being anti-gun control, I can't wait for fully 3D-printed guns to actually be of quality.
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Ok, this one deserves special attention.
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...Again, I'm on the road to obtaining my FFL so I see what's capable...And it's a HUGE deal.

I, quite frankly, can't explain over OCN why it's a big deal but, in essence, we just gave more people a means to a "solution" then ever had the means, before.

Actually, metal fab shops have very strict laws in regards to this entire scenario so, I'll disagree.

Let's put it in a way you can all understand...Civilians are restricted from owning certain distance weapons for a reason...These are NOT available on the black market, much less the civilian market...We've essentially just alerted most of them how to easily fab weapons capable of reaching over 1.5miles...

Most of the people in this category aren't gangsters that hold a gun sideways, again, 1 shot; 1 kill.

I hope for all of our sakes you do not get your FFL.

There is nothing about the process of obtaining an FFL that cannot be explained over OCN.

Metal fab shops abide by the same laws as any other fab shop.

Civilians not are restricted from owning "certain distance weapons". They are restricted from owning fully automatic firearms manufactured after the late 80s, long arms whose barrel length and total length are below a certain point, and certain explosive devices. Civilians can by and large still own these things, they just need to deal with NFA paperwork to do so. Joe Civi can legally own artillery, the munitions for it, and be trained in how to operate it. Plenty of people own rifles capable of reaching out to and past a mile; many of these even know how to put rounds on target that far. And furthermore, I'd love to see an example of what weapons you're referring to that are not available on the black market. Please, enlighten me via PM if it's too dangerous a secret for the open forum.

No, there is nothing in 3D printing that will "alert most of them how to easily fab weapons capable of reaching over 1.5 miles". Look at the weapons that actually are capable of this. Look at how they are constructed, and of what material they're constructed from. Look at what parts of those weapons actually bear loads and what kind of loads.

"Most of the people in this category"? Please. rolleyes.gif
    
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So part of a gun is printed unsuccsefully. Kinda makes me think nothing at all.
Any would e perp still has to come up with ammo and the rest...

Take a second mortgage to buy a 3d printer in order to make a unreliable gun part or grab a kitchen knife?

The funny thing is that the #d printer is treated like a magical device with which you can make stuff. Where the making of stuff is the important thing. Banning 3d printers because you can make barely functioning parts with them is as stupid is as banning rocks because you can bash it against another rock and make em smaller and easier to throw. (unless you have flint which as far as i know is worse than WMD's)

We're a long way from a 3d printer that can make usefull everyday crimecomitting stuff.

A significant part of it, actually. If you look at the video you can see that.

Honestly, 3D Printing is definitely going to take off and before you know it 6 shots will be 6000.
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I don't understand why people are criticizing this because it lacks practicality. That's not really the point. I for one am excited to see this as a proof-of-concept.

Exactly, it's just like that Intel 80 core chip among many other technological examples in that it's not meant for production, just to test and improve technology in general.
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We're a long way from a 3d printer that can make usefull everyday crimecomitting stuff.
It doesn't matter how far away it is, people shouldn't have access to guns that easily. This would bypass every check put in place to stop certain people gaining access to them.

3D Printing is a new technology and like any new technology, it's going to take some serious new laws to keep it safe.
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I don't understand why people are criticizing this because it lacks practicality. That's not really the point. I for one am excited to see this as a proof-of-concept.

It's a lot easier to make/buy a reliable plastic part than that to use an expensive 3D printer that costs well over $1000.

Here is a molded stock for a POS Hi Point 9mm that costs $57.




Sorry, I just don't see the big deal here. But then again, I've been dealing with firearms for over 50 years now.

It's a proof of concept, right now it's not viable but 3D Printers are coming down in price just as fast if not faster than SSDs these days..They're also insanely useful, for example I could print out the lower, test it out and make sure the design works well before I actually get it properly made, in future I'd simply make it all myself.

Hell, take case modding for example, I could easily print a bracket to mount an SSD on the back of a mobo tray, or a 3.5" to 2.5" bay adapter..Or a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter that is custom suited to the specific case I want it in.
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Yes, at the moment they're are nice and expensive which will put a lot of people off them. However, they will naturally become cheaper over time and if people are able to print whatever they want whenever they want without being monitored then this could become a very serious problem.

Which is a criminal more likely to do? Purchase a $200 3D printer (in the future assuming they become cheap), purchase/pirate expensive CAD software, learn how to use said CAD software, and print a firearm? Or go purchase a used 9mm for $100 from a black market dealer?

In any case, it's a moot point. 3D printers only create plastic parts, and you can't make a gun out of plastic. A shotgun operates around 8,000 psi, a handgun around 30,000 psi, and a high-powered rifle might be over 60,000 psi. No plastic can contain that kind of pressure. Which brings us back to the previous point...is a criminal going to buy a 3D printer, learn how to use CAD software, print most of a gun, purchase the rest of the parts that can't be printed, and assemble and test it? Or just purchase a used and probably stolen gun from a black market dealer?

I'd imagine that this kind of thing would become fairly popular, you wouldn't even need the CAD software, just a torrent client, internet and a 3D printer.

Also, there are 3D printers that print metal among other things but they are insanely expensive.
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I don't understand why anyone is looking at this from a gun control standpoint. You can get an old beat up CNC for a few grand and make a real one... there is no threat at all from being able to print single shot 3d printed parts.

Exactly, sure there's increased likelihood of someone owning a gun..but that goes for people who would try to prevent violent crime happening too, I may be able to print out a gun and mug someone but then that person who I choose to mug may also have printed out a gun, it balances itself out, sure it may enable easier access to guns (Slightly easier, anyway) but that's true for all sides.
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How is this any different from buying a lower or complete weapon from the black market (cheaper than you can buy the printer for)?
It would take me a 15 minute drive and less than $100 to buy a gun.
This is not that big of a deal. You can use a simple cnc machine to make a lower right now for less than the cost of a 3d printer. I would wager that you could take the lower design to many metal fab shops who would make that lower for you with no questions asked.
You guys are freaking out about nothing. The sky is NOT falling chicken little...

...Again, I'm on the road to obtaining my FFL so I see what's capable...And it's a HUGE deal.

I, quite frankly, can't explain over OCN why it's a big deal but, in essence, we just gave more people a means to a "solution" then ever had the means, before.

Actually, metal fab shops have very strict laws in regards to this entire scenario so, I'll disagree.

Let's put it in a way you can all understand...Civilians are restricted from owning certain distance weapons for a reason...These are NOT available on the black market, much less the civilian market...We've essentially just alerted most of them how to easily fab weapons capable of reaching over 1.5miles...

Most of the people in this category aren't gangsters that hold a gun sideways, again, 1 shot; 1 kill.

Okay, lets say your right and someone thinks "Oh, I can print out a gun that can shoot really far! Now to kill that guy I hate", assuming he can easily print out a gun that can do that..what's the likelihood someone near him will also have a gun? At most you'd see gun crime go up a tiny bit, because while it also would make it easier and cheaper to get mass amounts of weapons for the criminals, it also (shock horror) makes it easier for law abiding citizens who simply want to defend themselves to get high powered firearms too.
    
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To be honest, it only needs some reinforcement for it to work reliably. Also, the upper they were using, the AR-Five Seven, is known for it's particularly violent recoil impulse. Not saying a regular 5.56 DI upper wouldn't have done the same thing after many thousands of rounds, but it certainly accelerated the fault. It's already fairly easy to purchase legally, a 80% lower, and with a drill-press and some patience you can mill it into an actual 100% lower.
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Almost everything except the barrel, firing pin, and springs.

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