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I don't understand why people are criticizing this because it lacks practicality. That's not really the point. I for one am excited to see this as a proof-of-concept.

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As the technology advances and becomes cheaper who knows, it might be something all amateur engineers can afford. I have seen second hand early units go cheap. I remember back in 2001 my high school got one for only like $2000 used. There are composite lower receivers that work too, so technically in the future if better plastics can be used it might actually work. The interesting part for the non gun guys is the lower receiver is the only part of an ar15 that needs to be registered. Its what states consider to be the gun basically. In California if you have a lower reciever registered itsas good as having a complete rifle in their records. The point is anyone ccan buy the parts needed to build the rifle that can't legally own one and just make a lower with the printer or even more interesting make full auto ones.

While obviously not practicle now interesting to see what 5yrs from now will do
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I saw an 8 foot tall blue chick riding a green flying dinosaur on my TV last week too. I guess that is real also? rolleyes.gif
I've been shooing guns for over 50 years now, I've been reloading my own ammo for 35, and I've been customizing my own weapons for over 40. I have more than a "passing knowledge" of what is and isn't possible in this industry.

No, you have no clue actually.

Just because you shoot paper targets or animals doesn't qualify you as an expert on firearms. You clearly have NO CLUE as to what advancements billion dollar manufactures are working on pioneering behind closed doors, and to claim otherwise is asinine.
 
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post #193 of 440
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Nice find!~ I'd love a way to make them HiPoints less "ugly", and I love the look of the Beretta CX4 Storm. Thanks!
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Actually the look became very popular with "SciFi geeks" because in the remake of the TV series, Battlestar Galactica, that was their "Laser Gun".

But all that aside, it actually makes the Hi Point less of a piece of junk, because, at least for me, who is 6'6" tall, it increases the overall length of the weapon by about 1.5" to 2" and gives it a much better eye relief when using optics. Also, it is better constructed than the factory stock, which is split in the rear and tends to pinch at the seams.

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No, you have no clue actually.
Just because you shoot paper targets or animals doesn't qualify you as an expert on firearms. You clearly have NO CLUE as to what advancements billion dollar manufactures are working on pioneering behind closed doors, and to claim otherwise is asinine.

By all means, tell me then, since you apparently do.

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Actually the look became very popular with "SciFi geeks" because in the remake of the TV series, Battlestar Galactica, that was their "Laser Gun".
But all that aside, it actually makes the Hi Point less of a piece of junk, because, at least for me, who is 6'6" tall, it increases the overall length of the weapon by about 1.5" to 2" and gives it a much better eye relief when using optics. Also, it is better constructed than the factory stock, which is split in the rear and tends to pinch at the seams.
By all means, tell me then, since you apparently do.
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Ceramic rounds with significantly less head pressure have existed for snipers for over a year.

There are also MANY new classified developments to the entire process that don't take much more than some ingenuity beyond the starting line...

Thus why the existence of polymer weapons boomed in the past year...And thus why this is "kind of a big deal".

While you cannot escape the pressures of the primer/etc...It's still very possible to alleviate that pressure in a bolt action rifle.

Also, I know of 2/3 guys that have actually successfully made their own polymer casings that hand-load.

Look up PCP...

Quite frankly, you could use the education.

Imagine making that round with a TPSC Ceramic tip. Anyone say, untraceable with the same ballistics as a Hornandy 250grain match round? I can, all day long.
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Ceramic rounds with significantly less head pressure have existed for snipers for over a year.
There are also MANY new classified developments to the entire process that don't take much more than some ingenuity beyond the starting line...
Thus why the existence of polymer weapons boomed in the past year...And thus why this is "kind of a big deal".
While you cannot escape the pressures of the primer/etc...It's still very possible to alleviate that pressure in a bolt action rifle.
Also, I know of 2/3 guys that have actually successfully made their own polymer casings that hand-load.
Look up PCP...
Quite frankly, you could use the education.
Imagine making that round with a TPSC Ceramic tip. Anyone say, untraceable with the same ballistics as a Hornandy 250grain match round? I can, all day long.

Ammo != Barrel or Receiver.

And yes, I am well aware of advancements in bullets, just as I am aware of advancements in "intelligent scopes" over the past couple of years, but since neither have anything to do with barrels or receivers, I didn't bring them up.

As far as PCP goes, it's only real advantage is that it is 1/2 the weight of brass. It doesn't improve the ballistics of the round at all. Hopefully they have solved the issues that polymer casings had about a decade ago of melting in the receiver because of the pressure and heat. If they have, and it can meat the MILSPEC's, it will aid a soldiers ability to carry more ammo in battle, or the same amount of ammo at a reduced weight, so he can carry more and different items for the advanced battlefield. But to a "sniper" or "assassin", it doesn't really have much practical purpose ... and really has nothing to do with the topic at hand ... 3D printers. The polymers in both are totally different (I'm 99.999999% sure of that).
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 12/5/12 at 7:18am
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So you can make your own zip gun? I see one issue with it: you need a license to make one and crook could see extra jail time if they made one without license, and even more jail time if the zip gun was used in a crime.

Stick with a kitchen knife, quicker, cheaper, and shorter jail time. biggrin.gif

Or better yet, don't do the crime at all.
    
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Ammo != Barrel or Receiver.
And yes, I am well aware of advancements in bullets, just as I am aware of advancements in "intelligent scopes" over the past couple of years, but since neither have anything to do with barrels or receivers, I didn't bring them up.

LOL. rolleyes.gif

Ammo with 1/2 the head pressure when exiting the rifle actually makes this entire situation beyond 100% plausible.

The ammo I mentioned isn't even that hard to buy...Don't even have to go through PX.

Tell you what...Let's ask the guy that made the video to kick up his polymer process and use Polymer/ceramic hand loads.

Wanna see how long that AR lasts? Because I do...Especially since there's a company already out there making poly lowers...

I'd GUARANTEE you that rifle would last significantly longer...In fact, I'd almost bet you my AR it'd last for over a drum.
Edited by Masked - 12/5/12 at 7:18am
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By all means, tell me then, since you apparently do.
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Right, because I claimed I did...

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cool that people can do this. Anyone who is smart enough to work those printers and design the gun is probably in his right mind.
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we need to be aware of that and monitor the sales of these a bit closer...

I don't really disagree with much of what you've said in the above post until we get to this point.

In my view, monitoring and tracking firearm sales has gone way too far as of at least the 1930s. Anyone who wants to, unless they have proven they cannot use such weapons responsibly, should be able to manufacture, trade, purchase, or sell any small arms they wish, without having to jump through the hoops of background checks, waiting periods, registration, or anything else. I believe that I should be able to walk into a gun store, drop a wad of cash, and walk out with a fully automatic M249, an XM-109, and all the ammunition I can carry, without so much as having to present an ID or give my name. Why? Because 99.999%+ of people who would do this would be using their weapons for purposes that would never illegally harm anyone.

I'm firmly convinced that the harm caused by any gun control vastly exceeds the harm caused by readily available and unrestricted private possession of any conceivable weapon short of WMDs.

I do not think there is anything to fear from easier access to weapons. As you yourself have pointed out, where there is a will, there is a way. Same thing goes for assassinations. If someone really wants you dead, making it a little bit harder, or a little bit more expensive, to get away with murder, won't save you. The chance that one or two murders of public officials may or may not be prevented with information from tracking 3D printers, is not worth the cost of pushing such a law through state or federal legislatures, let alone actually enforcing it. It's sure not worth the inevitable abuses that will follow.

3D printing has no significant negative implications beyond the basic financial ones that come with any shift in market forces. Conversely, it has innumerable positive applications. Any attempt to implement legislation that restricts or tracks 3D printers is unjust, not to mention profoundly wasteful and inevitably completely ineffective. You may as well try to outlaw fire or track impure thoughts.

You are advocating burning tax money and complicating lawful purchases, nothing more.
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