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Yeah, it's a ton of paperwork, but that 20 minutes doesn't even take into account all the other added time we have to do. Finger printing, photographs, driving here, driving there, paying for all of it, then waiting for the Federal/State/Local background checks, etc. It's a major pain for the honest gun owner. All so you can have some fun toys ... which make a much better "assassination weapon" than some 3D printer made lower for an AR-15 that breaks after 6 shots.

I just wish my State and the Feds would stop having me fill out the same damn paperwork, set of finger prints, and photograph every time I want to buy a new Title II weapon/device. My info (and certainly my finger prints) haven't changed in years.

Is a suppressor tax stamp a flat rate (I heard $400) or is it based on the cost of the suppressor it's self?
 
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It's a flat $200 transfer fee for any suppressor, a suppressed (permanently attached) weapon, short-barreled rifle or shotgun, or machine gun. "Any Other Weapon" is a $50 tax and includes things like gun-canes and the like, unless they meet the requirements for being a short-barreled weapon. Interestingly, if you pay the $200 transfer fee on a registered machine gun, it automatically waves the fees for being short-barreled or suppressed.

The paperwork and the wait (6 months ATF? REALLY!?) that gets old fast. Adding $200 to a purchase when these are usually $1k and up buys isn't so bad.
    
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Is a suppressor tax stamp a flat rate (I heard $400) or is it based on the cost of the suppressor it's self?

$200 to the Feds for the stamp, $7 for "passport photos", $45 to the State for the background check, $20 worth of postage to make sure nothing gets lost, $90 for fingerprinting from a state authorized location, about $50 worth of gasoline in running around, and about 4-6 months of waiting (depending on the backlog) just to to transfer $250 Suppressor.

Of course, you have to repeat the procedure for EVERY Title II weapon/device you want. I figure that over the years, I've most have spent about $3200 worth of paperwork for Title II devices in my collection.

You'd figure that being retired from MSP would cut down on the paperwork and BS, but it doesn't.
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$200 to the Feds for the stamp, $7 for "passport photos", $45 to the State for the background check, $20 worth of postage to make sure nothing gets lost, $90 for fingerprinting from a state authorized location, about $50 worth of gasoline in running around, and about 4-6 months of waiting (depending on the backlog) just to to transfer $250 Suppressor.
Of course, you have to repeat the procedure for EVERY Title II weapon/device you want. I figure that over the years, I've most have spent about $3200 worth of paperwork for Title II devices in my collection.
You'd figure that being retired from MSP would cut down on the paperwork and BS, but it doesn't.

That's a freaking lot of work and money just so you don't have to go deaf every time you hit the range! Geez.

So, if you were to get an SBR, and have a detachable suppressor, that would be $400, and if you weld it to the barrel, $200 then?
 
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Well if the cost per CC is the same as it is for regular inkjet printing ($3-5k /L), making something the size of a toaster could cost you $1500+
If that's the case, whats going to happen to the economy? anyone selling consumables for a 3d printer is going to be filthy, filthy rich.
How much does it cost to run a 3D printer? anyone?

I almost put in an order for a $600 printer a couple months ago that charged $42 for a 2.5kg roll of plastic...certain colors were more though. And this is with only a few thousand of the printers existing. I would think if they were really mass producing the refills they would get cheaper. Plus when you 3D print there is typically a lot of empty space...you don't make solid objects. I think 2.5kg would go a long way. The only reason why I didn't put in my order was that I think if I wit it out a little more I could probably drop $1000 and get one that is really high quality and perhaps uses the new "resin"...that I don't even know what it is exactly or how much it costs, but it is supposed to stronger than the plastic.

I am very certain I could print off Legos far cheaper than what they sell for in the store...a child on our list wanted Ninjago legos and the cheapest set still was around $35 and didn't even have much in it...we got him something else.
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That's a freaking lot of work and money just so you don't have to go deaf every time you hit the range! Geez.

I also have a short barrel shotgun and 4 fully automatic rifles, in addition to my 5 suppressors.

It's actually a lot of work to "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The amount of money that I have to spend to exercise my right to keep and bear arms is pretty steep, especially when you compare it to the whining that people do about having to go down and get a FREE ID card just to vote in certain states ... but that is another story.
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That's a freaking lot of work and money just so you don't have to go deaf every time you hit the range! Geez.
So, if you were to get an SBR, and have a detachable suppressor, that would be $400, and if you weld it to the barrel, $200 then?

There are other reasons to get a suppressor tbh.

It allows you to essentially add length onto the barrel.

Certain states have length regulations...A suppressor is a way around those regulations.

So, in reality, you could take a rifle apart in 3 pieces and throw it in a back-pack...

You don't weld suppressors to the barrels anymore, either...You typically buy an adapter which acts as a muzzle break/compensator and then once the suppressor is approved, screw it on.
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That's a freaking lot of work and money just so you don't have to go deaf every time you hit the range! Geez.

Yeah, but it makes it so much easier to find dutiful, law abiding, assassins and murderers with expensive tastes in weapons, so obviously it's worth it.
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That's a freaking lot of work and money just so you don't have to go deaf every time you hit the range! Geez.

So, if you were to get an SBR, and have a detachable suppressor, that would be $400, and if you weld it to the barrel, $200 then?

Funnier still because in Europe suppressors are encouraged for public decency and hearing safety.

If you buy a suppressor, you pay a $200 transfer fee. If you buy a SBR, you pay a $200 transfer fee. If you buy a barrel with a permanently attached suppressor and the total barrel+suppressor length is not under 16", you only pay $200 for the suppressed weapon. If the total barrel+suppressor length is less than 16", you pay $200 for the SBR plus $200 for the suppressor transfer.

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So, in reality, you could take a rifle apart in 3 pieces and throw it in a back-pack...

You'd poop yourself if you saw my truck bag or my hiking pack.
    
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Well if the cost per CC is the same as it is for regular inkjet printing ($3-5k /L), making something the size of a toaster could cost you $1500+
If that's the case, whats going to happen to the economy? anyone selling consumables for a 3d printer is going to be filthy, filthy rich.
How much does it cost to run a 3D printer? anyone?

I know a lot of shops charge a crap load for this stuff, but its really not that expensive at all. About $4.50/cu in. for the material. Running costs aren't that much either.
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