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I think you are seriously overestimating the whole "press print and viola, instant gun". Most people I know who own a store bought gun couldn't even fully DISASSEMBLE a gun, much less assemble one.
Even many of my gun friends come to me just to do a simple drop in trigger job for either guns after they buy properly machined Volquartsen trigger parts that are known to work and guaranteed. And yet you think people are going to download a file off the internet and "just press print"?

He's actually not that far off...It's a virtual CNC/CAD-base...It would actually be as easy as taking a picture, incorporating it and cutting which, is the point I've been trying to make since square 1...But, clearly none of you own or have worked on one so, it's like smashing my head into a wall repeatedly.

With plastic, it doesn't have to be EXACT, it just has to be close enough.

Just drop in a Gisselle, a CMC or a Timney...None of which are traced, anyway.

Also your "point" about the ammo, I said that...At least 5 times...Less pressure is the entire argument because you can half the head pressure with a Ceramic/Polymer round which is being done already in the armed forces...

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Well, that is still a hell of a lot easier than machining the parts by hand. Assembly would be much easier to learn...a lot guns only have a few parts...parts that would be hard to make by hand, but easy to put together if you have them. A couple former military members that had to clean a gun every now and then could figure it out in minutes and those types of people are much easier to find then skilled machinists willing to make illegal guns.

I'm not about to insult one of my employees or talk her down but, she's blonde...I mean super blonde...Like, legally blonde...She figured it out, in fact, it only took her 10 minutes to pick up the dimensions of a pump mount...I guesstimate it would take her about 2 hours to throw together an AR lower, particularly because the entire magazine chamber is empty.

An AR lower is virtually just an elongated rectangle with holes...Drill the holes yourself...In fact, if you were really making this for the streets, you wouldn't require a safety at all...Just a mag drop so...Even easier.
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Easier than a 3d printer, fully automatic submachinegun

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2624298/sten-mk2-complete-machine-instructions

These were designed to take 5 man hours to make by a pretty unskilled worker, you can still make it rapidly and easily today with very basic tooling and literally scrap metal

like these captured in Northern Ireland

http://amodestpublication.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/loyalist-paramilitary-improvised-machine-guns/

So for anyone worrying a 3d printer makes easy guns you also better ban scrap metal and basic tools as the guns above are far more effective and easy to produce to any criminal than a bodge of 3d printed plastic and kit parts.
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Easier than a 3d printer, fully automatic submachinegun
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2624298/sten-mk2-complete-machine-instructions
These were designed to take 5 man hours to make by a pretty unskilled worker, you can still make it rapidly and easily today with very basic tooling and literally scrap metal
like these captured in Northern Ireland
http://amodestpublication.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/loyalist-paramilitary-improvised-machine-guns/
So for anyone worrying a 3d printer makes easy guns you also better ban scrap metal and basic tools as the guns above are far more effective and easy to produce to any criminal than a bodge of 3d printed plastic and kit parts.

Yup, home made weapons aren't anything new. From the Sten, to the Philippine "Guerrilla" Gun, to a host of weapons made in WWII by Russian and Polish partisans, to Bosnia ... history and the world is littered with them.

Good old Barry and his 12 Gauge pipe gun fires every time, doesn't break after 6 shots, and fires very nasty, standard 12 guage shotgun rounds. wink.gif
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 12/6/12 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by WR6133 View Post

Easier than a 3d printer, fully automatic submachinegun
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2624298/sten-mk2-complete-machine-instructions
These were designed to take 5 man hours to make by a pretty unskilled worker, you can still make it rapidly and easily today with very basic tooling and literally scrap metal
like these captured in Northern Ireland
http://amodestpublication.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/loyalist-paramilitary-improvised-machine-guns/
So for anyone worrying a 3d printer makes easy guns you also better ban scrap metal and basic tools as the guns above are far more effective and easy to produce to any criminal than a bodge of 3d printed plastic and kit parts.

So, with the touch of a button and the loading of a plastic drum, you can mass produce home-made scrap metal weapons?

That's the issue...We're not talking about a 1-off...We're talking about 100ish lowers per load and that'd take about 6 hours...That's with a polymer subsidiary/resin complicate so the plastic is harder/higher temp.
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So, with the touch of a button and the loading of a plastic drum, you can mass produce home-made scrap metal weapons?

Nice straw man argument ... since you can't do the same with a 3D Printer gun ... either today, 70 years ago, or any time to come (realistically) in the next 2-3 decades.
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Why?
You still need the barrel and slide to be made out of detectable parts.
Also, the range and accuracy are for junk, if done on a pistol. If you are that close and want to kill someone, use a non-metallic blade. If done on a rifle, who cares? You have range but no reliability.
Besides, it's not like non-metallic lowers haven't been around for decades. Look at Glocks.
Yup, on an AR, the lower is what is regulated. As long as you have a legally registered AR lower, you can legally take the upper off and convert it to a .50 BMG if you want. It's the lower that is Federally regulated.
Enjoy England. Here we have a Second Amendment.
It's a lot easier to make/buy a reliable plastic part than that to use an expensive 3D printer that costs well over $1000.
Here is a molded stock for a POS Hi Point 9mm that costs $57.

Sorry, I just don't see the big deal here. But then again, I've been dealing with firearms for over 50 years now.

QFT. All of it.
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Nice straw man argument ... since you can't do the same with a 3D Printer gun ... either today, 70 years ago, or any time to come (realistically) in the next 2-3 decades.

This is what I don't comprehend here.

We're shooters...Some of us trained, some shoot to shoot but, each one of us knows the damage a .308+ can do to a flesh target.

The reality is, it takes 1 shot...That's it. Trained or not, you're not getting fired on until after the shot, where-as if you fire a group, you're not getting shot at till after the group.

That's a fact. Lee Harvey Oswald proved this by firing 3 shots BEFORE the SS even looked to the top of the building. I can name snipers that have proven this all day/every day...I could even get Seals in here that will advocate my point...1 shot to a group is all even the laymen needs.

NOW, you have harmonic tracing, sniper trained SS and the reality is, even if you get the group off, they know your location within 50 feet. Again, 1-6 shots fired in succession at 1/2 MOA will decimate any individual target on this planet.

The argument isn't about a fully auto AR or a fully auto anything it's about rapid fire succession on a target enough to accomplish the job.

This method, accomplishes that to perfection.

Buy the printer, mass produce AR's for pennies on the dollar because you only NEED a few shots.

This isn't Scarface or Good Morning Vietnam, this is real life where automatic weapons aren't necessary to get a dope, then bag & tag...

If you NEED an automatic weapon to accomplish anything, you shouldn't be shooting a gun to begin with because pray and spray in real life, doesn't work.

Right now, there are rounds that exist, that are half the head pressure, arguably travel at the same velocity and arguably pack the same ballistic punch that current FMJ's do...so, again, this is beyond possible and if you're worth a crap, you only need 1 bullet.
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An AR lower is virtually just an elongated rectangle with holes...Drill the holes yourself...In fact, if you were really making this for the streets, you wouldn't require a safety at all...Just a mag drop so...Even easier.

Yes. So easy you don't even need an expensive 3D printer to make one, as pointed out countless times in this thread.

Printing guns with a 3D printer is like adding a narrow dirt road as another entrance into New York City, right next to I-95. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really change much.
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Right now, there are rounds that exist, that are half the head pressure, arguably travel at the same velocity and arguably pack the same ballistic punch that current FMJ's do...so, again, this is beyond possible and if you're worth a crap, you only need 1 bullet.

Watch the pipe shotgun video above...less than $50 at any hardware store, easier to make than using a 3D printer, probably easier to assemble, and much more reliable. I suppose we better add federal paperwork and tracking to anyone who wants to purchase iron pipe at a plumbing supply store. Surely it isn't that big a hassle to spend 5 minutes on federal paperwork every time your pipes leak and you need plumbing supplies?
Edited by mott555 - 12/6/12 at 7:41am
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So, with the touch of a button and the loading of a plastic drum, you can mass produce home-made scrap metal weapons?
That's the issue...We're not talking about a 1-off...We're talking about 100ish lowers per load and that'd take about 6 hours...That's with a polymer subsidiary/resin complicate so the plastic is harder/higher temp.

Errr you whine people miss your point (when you have none) but you miss the biggie here.

The 3d printer gun is 1 part made on a 3d printer a part that is junk and failed after 6 rounds of low power ammo all the rest is your poorly informed paranoia mixed in with some serious hardcore sensationalism/fantasism/fanatacism, the links I showed are easily made weapons that dont fail infact they are so easy to mass produce the Irish Paramilitaries were SERIALISING them, so if you want to blow up on 3d printers for their ability to produce lethal weapons you better go thermonuclear on scrap metal and infact you best freak out real big time on what most people have in their kitchens and garages that can be made in to decent explosives.

You may also want to ban all bottle blondes as the stuff they dye their hair with is a potent part of any self respecting DIY bomb.
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Yes. So easy you don't even need an expensive 3D printer to make one, as pointed out countless times in this thread.
Printing guns with a 3D printer is like adding a narrow dirt road as another entrance into New York City, right next to I-95. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really change much.

It's a method of mass production...Kind of like the cotton gin.

You know that thing they made that could make production much faster and streamline it? Thus evident by the clothes you're currently wearing.

The point isn't that you don't NEED a 3d printer to make one.

The point is that YOU CAN use a 3D printer to make a successful AR AND MASS PRODUCE IT.
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