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yeah and there are more violent crimes that result in death in the US, probably in part because of the availability of guns. in specific instances, yeah having a gun can make you safer. but the easier availability of guns in general statistically makes everyone less safe

Yay for made up statistics.

If criminals want guns they're going to get them whether they're legally allowed or not.

There was a time in the US when almost everybody owned a gun and there was very little crime. Now, a much lower percentage of people own guns and there's a lot more crime. News flash, it's NOT the guns that are committing crimes and it's not the guns that are the cause of violent crimes, it's the people. I find it mind numbing that there are so many people out there that refuse to see the core issue at hand and immediately think it's all a piece of metals fault.
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yeah and there are more violent crimes that result in death in the US, probably in part because of the availability of guns. in specific instances, yeah having a gun can make you safer. but the easier availability of guns in general statistically makes everyone less safe

Can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Since people love talking about AK-47s ... Even if the United States stopped making guns ENTIRELY it wouldn't do a thing to stop CRIMINALS from getting them.

You do know how many AK-47 are made in the US every year right?

Yes, that is correct ... ZERO ... and yet they somehow manage to find their way into the hands of criminals.

So, unless you have a plan to instantly vanish all guns from all over the world and then wipe the knowledge of how to make guns from every person's mind, book, and hard drive, banning guns won't stop gun crimes.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 12/6/12 at 8:24am
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I do use a 3D printer daily so, I understand the capabilities of this machine far more than most of you, apparently.

Are you at work now by chance?
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Originally Posted by mudman091878 View Post

Yay for made up statistics.
If criminals want guns they're going to get them whether they're legally allowed or not.
There was a time in the US when almost everybody owned a gun and there was very little crime. Now, a much lower percentage of people own guns and there's a lot more crime. News flash, it's NOT the guns that are committing crimes and it's not the guns that are the cause of violent crimes, it's the people. I find it mind numbing that there are so many people out there that refuse to see the core issue at hand and immediately think it's all a piece of metals fault.

no but making it harder to get guns decreases the level of violence someone can cause. look at the uk or europe as a whole. they have fewer instances of violent crimes that result in death. when people want to hurt others, they still do but the amount of damage is minimized. that's not a bs statistic, it's reality
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Are you at work now by chance?

I'm not comfortable doing what you're going to ask. I'm not taking pictures of the machine, the location or building. I'm not programming the machine, I'm not making a CAD for anything...I'm not risking my future license just to prove a point.

These rifles are capable of lasting more than 100 rounds and civilian versions already exist that have lasted THOUSANDS of rounds.

Siting isn't an issue and if the Youtubers had changed their plastic mix, added a stronger polymer, they would've had a gun that lasted longer than 6 shots.

Simple changes that cost next to nothing to alter. Simple things that take no man-time to produce...

Hell, he could program the machine for a precision AR AND make the pipe automatics at the same time!
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Change the plastic mix (Called my manufacturer to confirm) add a heat-based polymer and it won't break after 6 rounds. It could last an entire drum. 100+rounds.

Till you produce an example (as the people who actually tried making this thing failed) that statement is nothing more than sensationalist BS

Also even my sten example is pointless. Right here in the Peoples Republic of Not so Great Britain, with all our nanny state gun control that makes it near impossible to legally own even a turn bolt rifle (anything semi auto is totally banned as are handguns, you yanks that complain about waiting periods should see the hoops i jump through constantly just to own a single SMLE) you can pick up illegal weapons for a few hundred pounds pretty easily...... you know whats harder for the crooks to get?...... ammunition back when I was a squaddie there were guys jailed for selling stolen 9mm at £5 ($7.50) PER ROUND. So even here with our oppresive gun control nobody is going to 3d print gun parts not while the real deal is cheaper/easier.

The kind of groups that do make their own weapons (paramilitaries or primitive revolutionaries) want something proven and reliable that doesnt require bulky expensive hi-tech kit to make. Have you seen Khyber pass weapons? These guys handmake in LARGE quantity everything from Hi-powers through to PK MG's manpower there costs a pittance for the price of 3d printing something that breaks they could hire a whole village of people to keep up what they are doing now.

Maybe just maybe in a decade or more we will see very cheap 3d printers that are capable of something reliable but till then this is a storm in a teacup being blown all out of proportion.

Like I said Blonde hair dye is a major component of homemade explosives you better regulate that before you worry about 3D printing. Requiring registration of all bottle blondes and permits to dye hair would be a far more effective way to stop homemade weapons than legislating against 3d printers
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I'm not comfortable doing what you're going to ask. I'm not taking pictures of the machine

Not even a simple piece of paper that says "I <3 OCN" on top of it for a quick snapshot ... like I did with my .22 silencer and machine shop? Doesn't have to show any location, and no, if I wanted something done on CAD, I'd do it myself and make it myself. Just a little proof you actually have a 3D Printer.

I'm just wondering, because honestly, I have to doubt your statement that you have one, especially after saying ridiculous things like:
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So, plumbing supplies, again, can mass produce rounds/lowers by the 100s in a period of 5-6 hours?

Because in all honesty, anyone who actually works with 3D Printers on a daily basis, knows they are SLOW.
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Not even a simple piece of paper that says "I <3 OCN" on top of it for a quick snapshot ... like I did with my .22 silencer and machine shop? Doesn't have to show any location, and no, if I wanted something done on CAD, I'd do it myself and make it myself. Just a little proof you actually have a 3D Printer.
I'm just wondering, because honestly, I have to doubt your statement that you have one, especially after saying ridiculous things like:
Because in all honesty, anyone who actually works with 3D Printers on a daily basis, knows they are SLOW.

I don't even take pictures of my guns...Silencers or anything...

They are slow but, you're discussing a rectangle, of which you can actually sacrifice most of the lower...Really all you need is the Pmag receptacle and a "trigger"//something to hold onto...IT doesn't need to be a fancy, complete, AR lower...

Don't need the looped edges, don't need the wall engraving, don't need practically any of the holes, trigger guard...Can buy AR pistol grips for $5/per in mass quantities...

Go look at a stripped AR lower with a stage 1 trigger and then imagine getting rid of 3/4 of the frame. It's beyond doable.
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I don't even take pictures of my guns...Silencers or anything...

That's fine. I was just asking.

Carry on.
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A : hey yo man!! you ready?
B : hell yeah!
A : lets do our final check, here's my gun
B : aiight, heres mine
A : dang!! looks shiny as hell dude!!
B : oooooh yeah, that new printer is real nice, you should upgrade to that model after this one too!!
A : yeah, I will see how you do with it first, then decide
B : yeah I guess, it wasn't cheap at all.... anyway, you got your bullets?


A : wait, wat?
B : you bought bullets right?
A : DUDE you said you were gonna print me some kickass bullets with the new printer, oh don't tell me......
B : uh.......AH SHEET!!
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