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Blasting ISO is not a solution to the lack of a tripod -- its only use is for capturing action. A tripod is much more useful than a lot of you are making it out to be.
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Yes you should! If you are serious about photography you need one. How much you want to spend is up to you ofcourse.

I have an Manfrotto 055XDB tripod with an Manfrotto 804RC2 pan tilt head but when I travel I only take a Gorillapod and I have to admit you can do alot with such a cheap little tripod as well.
 
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honestly my own preference is not to use a tripod. I have two and very rarely do I pull them out as I do most things by hand holding instead. Even in low light I generally do not use a tripod and instead use higher iso (how sensitive the camera is to light) though most things I photograph also generally have some motion to them and a tripod isn't going to do me much good.
he only other time I use my tripod is self photo's.
I say before buying a tripod find out if you actually would use one. try to use your camera and see what happens and if you need one. Sadly we can't always tell you if you need one or not as it really depends on what you shoot and how you shoot. You would be the best one to judge that and if you rely on our suggestions you could end up spending money on something you in the end might not even need. Go out and just shoot enjoy it. If you end up finding that you need one then go and get it.
Even more so if you don't know things like iso, and such learn those first. Learn to use the camera you have that way you can better judge what you need that way you are not just spending money to fix a problem that is really caused by something else or that just isn't a problem at all.

what camera are you shooting? cause hes shooing a PS so iso 6400 or even 3200 isnt really a viable option.....

and even shooting a dslr you still gain dynamic range from using a lower iSO (assuming you dont care about noise)

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Ya know, I'm kinda disappointed in myself for not thinking of that first. That sounds like a good idea although I'll have to wait a little bit to play with the camera.
As I recall, the higher the ISO, the more noise you get in the picture correct? So a tripod could still come in handy there if you were shooting something that wasn't in motion. wink.gif

i think a tripod is definitely a necessary tool for photography, you might not need it everytime but its definitely good to have around.
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what camera are you shooting? cause hes shooing a PS so iso 6400 or even 3200 isnt really a viable option.....
and even shooting a dslr you still gain dynamic range from using a lower iSO (assuming you dont care about noise)
i think a tripod is definitely a necessary tool for photography, you might not need it everytime but its definitely good to have around.

I agree.
I don't have a cutting edge D-SLR by today's standards, but I think it is pretty decent...still above ISO 400-64 0I feel the drop in quality - I don't even have to zoom in 100%.
It is easy to see it in comparison with a razor sharp, f4-5.6 image @ ISO 100.

For many compacts that kind of image deterioration is noticeable even @ ISO 200.

Yes, we have moved up lots of steps since early D-SLRs, even more in comparison with film.
The fact that ISO 800-1600 is usable by many cameras, and even 3200+ ratings in pro SLRs is fair game, that is always in comparison with "older" times and technologies.
It does not mean that ISO 1600 offers indistinguishable performance next to ISO 100 or 200 or 800 from the same generation of cameras. There is still a noticeable loss in quality, even if the quality of some cameras @ 1600 today, surpassed that of older technologies @ 200.

So, natural light photography leaped insanely in versatility, but plz, we still make compromises - even with a camera systems that cost 4 or 5 figures, in order to leave the "primitive" hindrance of the tripod behind. If it "is ok" and I am over-reacting on the subject, then just use your smartphone and forget cameras and IQ distilling all together.
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I would not know what to do without a tripod for my DSLR. And this from a guy that hates carrying one!
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Blasting ISO is not a solution to the lack of a tripod -- its only use is for capturing action. A tripod is much more useful than a lot of you are making it out to be.

It depends on what you are shooting on how useful a tripod is and what the conditions are. Yes certain things can use a tripod and a tripod would be best for. Other times it's a flip of the coin of what you said a tripod isn't a solution for when you need to blast the iso. Though if they aren't in a situation a tripod is helpfull then at that point a tripod could cause more pain and loss of money then what it's worth.

Their best bet would be to use their camera get used to it first and find out with what they shoot if a tripod would help or not.
Right now knowledge is what they need more then anything that way they can make informed purchases rather then try to throw money at something that might or might not be a problem.

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Yes you should! If you are serious about photography you need one. How much you want to spend is up to you ofcourse.
I have an Manfrotto 055XDB tripod with an Manfrotto 804RC2 pan tilt head but when I travel I only take a Gorillapod and I have to admit you can do alot with such a cheap little tripod as well.
I'm serious about photography. I admit I do have two tripods. I also say that I'm half temptd to be unserious about tripods as I'm kind of tempted to sell them. Don't use them enough to justify having them.
About the only time they get used for me is self portraits, otherwise I hand hold everything as I'm not a serious enough photographer tongue.gif
sorry just giving you a hard time :-)
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what camera are you shooting? cause hes shooing a PS so iso 6400 or even 3200 isnt really a viable option.....
and even shooting a dslr you still gain dynamic range from using a lower iSO (assuming you dont care about noise)
i think a tripod is definitely a necessary tool for photography, you might not need it everytime but its definitely good to have around.
Currently I have a 7D plus some fast glass (70-200 MK II, 17-55 both at 2.8), otherwise I also use a AE-1, and a pentax spotomatic that I use and shoot generally between iso 100-400. Usually more to the 100 end though. I've also spent quite a bit of time with the old S5.
Either way I still hardly use a tripod with any of the above camera's. It just isn't something that is required for what I shoot and having one would just be more of a pain in the butt then not having it. Only reason I have the tripods I do have is I managed to find some craigslist specials that are not horrible tripods and so snatched them up. For me to go out and buy a good, new tripod would be a waste of money for me, even when shooting with my slower film camera's. I know not all photogs are in the same boat though and some do need it. But that is why I suggest this person learn more about their camera. learn to use it learn what they are shooting first and learn where the problems and short commings are with their setup.
They need to know what the problem is IF THEY EVEN HAVE ONE before throwing money out to fix the problem that may or may not exist for them.


Here is a question for those that are saying it is necessary or required tool for photography. What could I use the tripod for that would improve my photography, and what am I missing out on when this tool is required for photography?
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Here is a question for those that are saying it is necessary or required tool for photography. What could I use the tripod for that would improve my photography, and what am I missing out on when this tool is required for photography?

First of all you are mentioning owning a photo kit in the $5000+ range, so a $35 tripod like the one I've suggested is nothing. Lens cases cost more than that, so the "throwing out money" comment is a bit unprovoked and out of the scope of this thread by orders of magnitude.
Even if we were talking a more expensive tripod, the effect it can have to some types of photography is much more pronounced than spending the extra doh to get a 70-200 2.8 II IS instead of mark I, or even a 70-200 f/4 L...

Most compact cameras cannot afford to go above ISO 100 without great loss in IQ. Your mighty 7D does show signs of image degradation above ISO 400. It still might be better than many compacts @ ISO 800, non-the-less IQ reduction is there, and it is a combination of both decreasing the sensor's resolving power through higher ISO speeds, lower shutter speeds that introduce even the slightest camera shake and ofc using less-than-optimal aperture (yes, fast lenses do not perform their best @ max aperture, it is shocking) in order to balance ISO/shutter speed.

Granted, some shooting styles cannot work with either a tripod or a monopod. I mostly agree myself that i hate dragging one around, and I try to avoid it w/e possible. Still I have my 190B in the trunk pretty much always when I go for photo shoots. How often do I use it? Mid-day almost never. But certain photography genres happen from dusk till dawn or indoors, where sunlight is not there to keep you @ ISO 100-400 or anything less than f/4 for handheld shots.

I can see why you would have second thoughts on buying something you don't need regardless of your budget tho, so here are some examples of shoots you cannot do without a tripod, or you can do much better with one:

- taking pictures indoors with proper DOF and low ISO
- taking pictures with slow enough shutter speed (using either small apperture, ND filters or both) to capture movement or ghosts of ppl (very useful in architectural photography and/or landscapes)
- taking low light landscapes, night photography, star photography and the such
- table top/product photography with proper DOF and low ISO
- macro photography with proper DOF and low ISO (yes ppl, those insects they shoot with 100mm macro lenses are @ f/11-16 or less to have more than half an eye in focus). To get pictures of shy beasts, some people shoot really early in the morning or late @ night when those are less active = light is not exactly ample and flash is not always desired.
- landscape and macro photography at weird angles (usually really low/close to the ground)
- self portraits (unless you want to drag furniture and beanbags around).
- any short of shots with cameras that have movements
- wild life from a hide or not with large lenses, sports etc / large tripods are used as mono-pods too with the legs extended but not wide open

And other in the same mood...
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I know I have a spendy kit but honestly I don't have as much money as it seems. Honestly I'm quite a poor little guy just ended up having a "good" situation between some tax money and losing a job I couple years ago and ended up needing to cash out a 401k that I was able to buy the kit I have, the rest of the gear I have has been had from craigslist specials that happened when I happened to have a couple extra bucks on me I had to struggle to get a 60 polarizing filter for the camera I have. Even a $35 tripod can be an issue for me. hell with my current job situation (yes I'm still employed) at times I worry about money on a week to week basis and was proud to be able to have enough this month to buy my wife a $5 movie for xmas. My comment wasn't quite out of the scope as it looks like. Don't judge me by what I have as really it's doesn't show who I am or how well to do I am.

I know how the 7d cooperates compared to a point and shoot and you are right. I have no qualms about shooting up to around 1600 and still getting it accepted for stock if need be or shooting even higher for personal use. But I also used a point and shoot many times and every now and then I still use my wifes cheapy that she bought a couple years ago and when I can get my hands on some film I still use my 35mm cameras quite a bit also at which point I'm stuck in about the same realm of ISO as his point and shoot. I know the iso range isn't the greatest and going much above 100 you take a huge hit to quality and it's best to avoid it if possible. The idea is still the same though be it you are using a fancy dslr, film, or a point and shoot. Learn the gear you have, learn how to use what you have. Once you know how your gear works and what to do with your gear then you can go about figuring out what you need to make what you do better. Why buy a tripod even if it is only a $35 tripod if you aren't going to use it, or for that matter if you don't even know if you need it or not.

I'm not saying don't buy it. Just saying stop and don't buy it yet. If you find that after using the camera for a while and realize hey I actually need one of these, then yes go out and get one. If you are doing stuff though that doesn't require it then even at $35 bucks if you don't use it that's $35 bucks wasted.

Most the stuff I do is either with flash, under good light, or if it is lower light it ends up being action or at least movement related that a tripod isn't going to do me much good. For me I'm better served by a good flash setup and fast glass. If I shot more macro, astro, indoor natural light or such yes I would easily grab one. If they shot they same type of stuff by all means they would be served well by getting one.

Either way though it still stands they need to learn their gear they currently have, learn what the weakness are and what they want to shoot and how they want to shoot it before they start to go out and buy gear just to buy gear. Would be better to understand why they need the gear if they need it reather then to just want the gear. For that they need to use the camera first and learn the camera and learn to shoot :-)
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Currently I have a 7D plus some fast glass (70-200 MK II, 17-55 both at 2.8), otherwise I also use a AE-1, and a pentax spotomatic that I use and shoot generally between iso 100-400. Usually more to the 100 end though. I've also spent quite a bit of time with the old S5.
Either way I still hardly use a tripod with any of the above camera's. It just isn't something that is required for what I shoot and having one would just be more of a pain in the butt then not having it. Only reason I have the tripods I do have is I managed to find some craigslist specials that are not horrible tripods and so snatched them up. For me to go out and buy a good, new tripod would be a waste of money for me, even when shooting with my slower film camera's. I know not all photogs are in the same boat though and some do need it. But that is why I suggest this person learn more about their camera. learn to use it learn what they are shooting first and learn where the problems and short commings are with their setup.
They need to know what the problem is IF THEY EVEN HAVE ONE before throwing money out to fix the problem that may or may not exist for them.
Here is a question for those that are saying it is necessary or required tool for photography. What could I use the tripod for that would improve my photography, and what am I missing out on when this tool is required for photography?

a tripod is a tool to solve a problem, so you first need a problem for it to solve. I guess in your case theres no problem so there is no need for the tool (which is perfectly valid). I dont know what exactly you shoot and photography is really your personal taste so there isnt a right nor wrong....but with a tripod you are opened up to many different things you can try.

dtolois already listed a pretty comprehensive list of things you can do with a tripod that you cannot without one. but ill add a few more

-you can add on a nodal slide and adjust for parallax effect in panoramics.
-you can focus and exposure stack with greater flexibility compared to handhold
-you can shoot startrails
-you can shoot "smooth" water with ND/stop down
- times lapses
-multiple product/model shots which you want to look uniform

in my personal experience a tripod is a great tool to have, even with higher end cameras (7d, 5d2,d700,d800,a900,d3s, etc) i generally can still improve on shots when i throw down a tripod and shoot vs. bumping the ISO or shooting wide open.
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Again, your reasoning is respected.
I have two tripods, and it is true that I might not even get them out of the bag for months.
Then again there was a period I was experimenting with indoor shots (table top @ home + macro), and taking interior shots @ commercial spaces etc, were pretty much all shots were supported.

Nothing is for granted.
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