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Alright its christmas time and i'm paying for part of this build, and my parents will pay the rest. so here goes nothing smile.gif

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1069.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-04 15:13 EST-0500)


This will be primarily for gaming. I went with the 16gb ram because it was only 20$ more than 8gigs so it made sense to do.
Went with the i5 3570k over the i7 to cut cost and because i7 doesn't make a difference for gaming.
Got the Extreme6 MOBO because the Extreme4 MOBO was sold out.
The SSD will be for the OS (Windows 7 Ultimate, unless somebody can convince me to get Windows 8)
HDD for games, etc.
Radeon HD 7950 because the 7970 is a little too much (400$ seemed a bit high) and i'll be able to crossfire in the future anyways.
The case is just sexy looking.

Are the PSU and CPU cooler good choices? Am i getting too much of a PSU?

I should also mention i still need to get a monitor, good keyboard and mouse.

And opinions/suggestions are more than welcome smile.gif I'm gonna purchase everything today!

Thanks in advance!
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Are the PSU and CPU cooler good choices? Am i getting too much of a PSU?

 

You are, actually.  All that would really be needed for this build is a quality-made 400W power supply:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

 

With one 7950 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 300W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so that needs another 150W for an overclocked 3570K.  This makes the PSU pulling 450W from the wall outlet, but that's a coincidental calculation.  You see, if the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 450W from the wall, then that would mean the system is pulling about 385W from the PSU.  So, one common characteristic of quality-made PSUs is that their rated wattage is what they are designed to be able to deliver continuously if it's ever needed.  So, a quality-made 400W PSU would be plenty for this.

 

For two 7950s in Crossfire, a quality-made 550W power supply would be enough:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7950_crossfire_review_2_and_3_way,5.html

 

Unfortunately, all they show here is the TDP, and this forces us to do some figuring based on the other review for a single 7950.  Their idle wattage for the entire system was 165W, so adding a 2nd 7950 makes it about 175W.  Then with the added 2nd 7950, the power draw went up by 141W.  So, this means that their PSU was pulling just over 450W from the wall outlet (I calculated 454W).  If the 3570K is pulling 150W under full load while overclocked at the same time as the two 7950s, then that would make the PSU pulling just about 600W from the wall.  If the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 600W from the wall, then that means the system is pulling  about 510W from the PSU.

 

For just $20 more at $99.99 shipped, you can get a high-end modular power supply from Newegg:

 

The 550W SeaSonic G Series

 

It can easily deliver 550W to the system continuously if it's ever needed.  There's only one bad thing, but it's mostly an aesthetics thing:  it only has two 6+2-pin PCI-E cables which means that for two 7950s, you'd need to use those ugly Molex to PCI-E adapters.

 

If that's unacceptable (I wouldn't blame you), then I would recommend the modular version of the 650W Rosewill CAPSTONE Series for $115.98 after shipping:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182263

 

It's a very high-end modular PSU (the infamous Superflower Golden Green Pro), and it has 4x 6+2-pin connectors!  Sure, it's expensive, but I feel that it's worth it.

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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

You are, actually.  All that would really be needed for this build is a quality-made 400W power supply:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

With one 7950 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 300W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so that needs another 150W for an overclocked 3570K.  This makes the PSU pulling 450W from the wall outlet, but that's a coincidental calculation.  You see, if the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 450W from the wall, then that would mean the system is pulling about 385W from the PSU.  So, one common characteristic of quality-made PSUs is that their rated wattage is what they are designed to be able to deliver continuously if it's ever needed.  So, a quality-made 400W PSU would be plenty for this.

For two 7950s in Crossfire, a quality-made 550W power supply would be enough:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7950_crossfire_review_2_and_3_way,5.html

Unfortunately, all they show here is the TDP, and this forces us to do some figuring based on the other review for a single 7950.  Their idle wattage for the entire system was 165W, so adding a 2nd 7950 makes it about 175W.  Then with the added 2nd 7950, the power draw went up by 141W.  So, this means that their PSU was pulling just over 450W from the wall outlet (I calculated 454W).  If the 3570K is pulling 150W under full load while overclocked at the same time as the two 7950s, then that would make the PSU pulling just about 600W from the wall.  If the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 600W from the wall, then that means the system is pulling  about 510W from the PSU.

For just $20 more at $99.99 shipped, you can get a high-end modular power supply from Newegg:

The 550W SeaSonic G Series

It can easily deliver 550W to the system continuously if it's ever needed.  There's only one bad thing, but it's mostly an aesthetics thing:  it only has two 6+2-pin PCI-E cables which means that for two 7950s, you'd need to use those ugly Molex to PCI-E adapters.

If that's unacceptable (I wouldn't blame you), then I would recommend the modular version of the 650W Rosewill CAPSTONE Series for $115.98 after shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182263

It's a very high-end modular PSU (the infamous Superflower Golden Green Pro), and it has 4x 6+2-pin connectors!  Sure, it's expensive, but I feel that it's worth it.

Holy cow i did not expect such a detailed answer. Most of the time i get short answers like "get this instead" but i actually read this a few times to really try and understand it. Price wise its not too bad, only goes up 10$ compared to the other one, and its got free shipping on amazon so its only 109.99$ which is fine in my book. I'm really trying to nail this starting build wink.gif So i went ahead and switched it out based on your explanation and reasoning, because eventually i will be crossfiring and i plan to overclock as well.

Thank you again for such a great response smile.gif

I also changed out the HDD for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= based off of something i read on this very forum that mentioned spinpoint being much better smile.gif

Dumb question but everything will fit in that case right? even when i add another GPU down the road?
Edited by Bossman4 - 12/4/12 at 1:06pm
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Holy cow i did not expect such a detailed answer. Most of the time i get short answers like "get this instead" but i actually read this a few times to really try and understand it.

 

hehe you're very welcome!  I have fun making posts like that.

 

 

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Price wise its not too bad, only goes up 10$ compared to the other one, and its got free shipping on amazon so its only 109.99$ which is fine in my book. I'm really trying to nail this starting build wink.gif

 

Wow, $109.99 shipped!  Nice.  What a great way to begin nailing it!  :)

 

 

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So i went ahead and switched it out based on your explanation and reasoning, because eventually i will be crossfiring and i plan to overclock as well.

 

You came to the right place for overclocking, that's for sure!  This is an amazing place.

 

 

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Thank you again for such a great response smile.gif

 

You're welcome!

 

By the way, welcome to OCN!  I figured that it's better late than never.  :)

 

 

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I also changed out the HDD for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= based off of something i read on this very forum that mentioned spinpoint being much better smile.gif
Dumb question but everything will fit in that case right? even when i add another GPU down the road?

 

I have to let others handle these things, especially the question about fitting.  I don't want to be wrong.

 

Oh yeah, the Spinpoint F3!  I've definitely heard good things about this.  When the Spinpoint F3 came out, it seemed like that was the most frequently recommended hard drive other than the Western Digital Caviar Blacks!  Although, these days it seems to me that it's all about the solid state drives!  I've been out of the loop to long to know what to recommend anymore except for PSUs it seems, but I find them to be the most fascinating part of a system.

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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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post #5 of 10
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hehe you're very welcome!  I have fun making posts like that.



Wow, $109.99 shipped!  Nice.  What a great way to begin nailing it!  smile.gif



You came to the right place for overclocking, that's for sure!  This is an amazing place.



You're welcome!

By the way, welcome to OCN!  I figured that it's better late than never.  smile.gif



I have to let others handle these things, especially the question about fitting.  I don't want to be wrong.

Oh yeah, the Spinpoint F3!  I've definitely heard good things about this.  When the Spinpoint F3 came out, it seemed like that was the most frequently recommended hard drive other than the Western Digital Caviar Blacks!  Although, these days it seems to me that it's all about the solid state drives!  I've been out of the loop to long to know what to recommend anymore except for PSUs it seems, but I find them to be the most fascinating part of a system.

Saving money is always a must smile.gif

And yeah based on everything i've read this place seems to be right on point.

And thank you smile.gif feels good to finally register.

Hopefully somebody can chime in on the fitting part, i'd hate to get everything ordered just to have it not fit frown.gif
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Oh, I'm confident that we might see some other replies within a while here, but I can almost guarantee that we'll have more during the next 24 hours.  Sometimes replies come right away, and other times it takes a while.  Of course, I realize that it all depends on who is logged in and who actually sees the thread.

 

So if after like 12 or 24 hours goes by and you have no additional replies, you can post a new reply in order to bump it back to the top of the thread list.

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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Well i went ahead and made the purchase smile.gif

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 330 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black/White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.59 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VH242H 23.6" Monitor ($154.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($121.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Laser Mouse ($46.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1465.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-05 09:29 EST-0500)

All i changed the was PSU, got something a tiny bit more powerful, its not modular but i saved 5$ and got another 100W just in case.
post #8 of 10
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Update time I got everything put together and it runs great. Now I need real advice for some reason I don't like the case that much so I'm considering returning it for the haf 932. My question is it worth the trouble of exchanging and moving stuff into a new case? Would I gain anything from switching cases? Or should I stick with the Phantom 410? I know it's probably a silly question but it's my first build. Thanks in advance.
post #9 of 10
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If I'm just crazy or something please tell me haha
post #10 of 10

I think a computer case is one of the more personal aspects of a computer, so I think you're in the right frame of mind.  Only, I personally don't know what can be recommended.

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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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